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Mysteries of AI
« on: April 09, 2023, 06:33:33 AM »
Hi everyone,

Here is a BBC article about AI and the mysterious aspects of it.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230405-why-ai-is-becoming-impossible-for-humans-to-understand

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Many of the pioneers who began developing artificial neural networks weren't sure how they actually worked - and we're no more certain today.

As Cowan and Taylor stood and watched the machine work, they had no idea exactly how it was managing to perform this task. The answer to Taylor's mystery machine brain can be found somewhere in its "analogue neurons", in the associations made by its machine memory and, most importantly, in the fact that its automated functioning couldn't really be fully explained.

But the mystery gets deeper still. As the layers of neural networks have piled higher their complexity has grown. It has also led to the growth in what are referred to as "hidden layers" within these depths. The discussion of the optimum number of hidden layers in a neural network is ongoing. The media theorist Beatrice Fazi has written that "because of how a deep neural network operates, relying on hidden neural layers sandwiched between the first layer of neurons (the input layer) and the last layer (the output layer), deep-learning techniques are often opaque or illegible even to the programmers that originally set them up".

I'd add to this that the unknown and maybe even the unknowable have been pursued as a fundamental part of these systems from their earliest stages. There is a good chance that the greater the impact that artificial intelligence comes to have in our lives the less we will understand how or why.

When it comes to explainable and transparent AI, the story of neural networks tells us that we are likely to get further away from that objective in the future, rather than closer to it.

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Frankenstein comes to mind.

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2023, 07:39:42 AM »


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65452940

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A man widely seen as the godfather of artificial intelligence (AI) has quit his job, warning about the growing dangers from developments in the field.

Geoffrey Hinton, aged 75, announced his resignation from Google in a statement to the New York Times, saying he now regretted his work.

He told the BBC some of the dangers of AI chatbots were "quite scary".

"Right now, they're not more intelligent than us, as far as I can tell. But I think they soon may be."

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2023, 10:03:12 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65452940

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A man widely seen as the godfather of artificial intelligence (AI) has quit his job, warning about the growing dangers from developments in the field.

Geoffrey Hinton, aged 75, announced his resignation from Google in a statement to the New York Times, saying he now regretted his work.

He told the BBC some of the dangers of AI chatbots were "quite scary".

"Right now, they're not more intelligent than us, as far as I can tell. But I think they soon may be."

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2023, 10:33:46 AM »



Yes of course.  I am sure there are karmic forces involved....

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2023, 10:54:25 AM »
Yes of course.  I am sure there are karmic forces involved....

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2023, 01:23:03 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65452940

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A man widely seen as the godfather of artificial intelligence (AI) has quit his job, warning about the growing dangers from developments in the field.

Geoffrey Hinton, aged 75, announced his resignation from Google in a statement to the New York Times, saying he now regretted his work.

He told the BBC some of the dangers of AI chatbots were "quite scary".

"Right now, they're not more intelligent than us, as far as I can tell. But I think they soon may be."

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Another 'godfather' speaks out


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65760449

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2023, 03:45:00 PM »
Interesting article on the possible impact


https://archive.vn/MKO4W

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2023, 04:27:39 PM »
Sriram,

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Yes of course.  I am sure there are karmic forces involved....

"Karmic forces" eh? Woooooooo!
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2023, 06:43:16 AM »


Karma means consequence.  When we act in certain ways the relevant outcomes and consequences automatically get fixed. We cannot avoid them.

Aren't we seeing the consequences of our acts.....?!


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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2023, 10:38:52 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2023, 07:35:12 AM »
Interesting article


https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/artificial-ignorance/


Kevin Roose. Roose later described the chatbot—which in the course of his conversation started calling itself Sydney—as “a moody, manic-depressive teenager who has been trapped, against its will, inside a second-rate search engine.”



Why would any chatbot do that if it is simply putting together words from the internet?!  I personally think that....if we are going to get any evidence of the 'ghost in the machine'...it is going to be through AI.


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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2023, 11:22:27 PM »

Kevin Roose. Roose later described the chatbot—which in the course of his conversation started calling itself Sydney—as “a moody, manic-depressive teenager who has been trapped, against its will, inside a second-rate search engine.”



Why would any chatbot do that if it is simply putting together words from the internet?!  I personally think that....if we are going to get any evidence of the 'ghost in the machine'...it is going to be through AI.
Not exactly sure what you are saying here. What do you think the term 'ghost in the machine' means? Or perhaps more clearly, what of the number of meanings of the phrase are you using here?
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2023, 09:33:24 AM »

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2023, 09:23:15 AM »
A slightly different take.

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2023, 03:44:21 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2023, 07:37:41 AM »


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230719-the-blue-flash-louis-slotin-accident-manhattan-project-oppenheimer-atomic-bomb

Interesting article....but more relevant is this para..

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A blinkered pursuit of the "sweet" can still be seen in science and technology today, such as in the burgeoning field of artificial intelligence. Even projects that appear benign may have calamitous potential. In 2022, researchers at a drug development company decided to test if its software could also create biochemical weapons. Within six hours, the AI had identified more than 40,000 compounds "predicted to be more toxic... than publicly known chemical warfare agents".

"The thought had never previously struck us," wrote the authors. "We were naive in thinking about the potential misuse of our trade… A non-human autonomous creator of a deadly chemical weapon is entirely feasible."

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2023, 01:24:31 PM »

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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2023, 11:30:26 AM »
AI stealing passwords

https://archive.vn/FhrKB

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2023, 05:06:29 PM »


Sam Harris on AI... Very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmlrEgLGozw


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Re: Mysteries of AI
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2023, 05:44:23 PM »
The AI that lied

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