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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #200 on: June 04, 2024, 10:52:30 AM »
Biden acting to counter the open border charge. It feels entirely reactionary, in the reacting to sense, as if you thought it was right why take till the running down of your presidency to do it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7227y6nqzmo

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #201 on: June 04, 2024, 10:57:04 AM »
And, of course, after the trial of the ex President, the show moves into the trial of the President's son.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #202 on: June 11, 2024, 04:41:45 PM »
Hunter Biden guilty on 3 gun charges.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-69091802

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #203 on: June 11, 2024, 07:38:56 PM »
A consideration of the effect on Biden's campaign


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clwwz7rlgrgo
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #204 on: June 12, 2024, 07:47:23 AM »
The comparison between Biden on his sings conviction, and Trump on his own, seems to be one of the clearest differences I've ever seen between two candidates.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pp08q513do

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« Reply #205 on: June 12, 2024, 10:04:54 AM »
The comparison between Biden on his sings conviction, and Trump on his own, seems to be one of the clearest differences I've ever seen between two candidates.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pp08q513do
Could dampen down the clamour of Trump's cronies (and Republicans in general) - at least until they work out some way to spin the situation to their advantage. Quite difficult to suggest that Biden has interfered with the legal system after this.
As for Trump, I suppose he'll still lie and waffle on, demonstrating the most extraordinary example of double-think outside the pages of 1984.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #206 on: June 18, 2024, 07:17:50 AM »
Interesting that on the days of AI and deep fakes, that a cropped video can be seen as being so effective.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #207 on: June 20, 2024, 04:39:29 PM »
Lovely burn

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #208 on: June 21, 2024, 10:29:51 AM »
If the plethora of debates on the UK Election aren't enough for your insomnia, the first Biden Trump debate is next week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cekke335z9ko

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #209 on: June 28, 2024, 04:17:14 AM »
Despite some insomnia, I couldn't be tempted but I fear that the report is disastrous for Biden


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgedpw4r5eo

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #210 on: June 28, 2024, 04:42:41 AM »
Despite some insomnia, I couldn't be tempted but I fear that the report is disastrous for Biden


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgedpw4r5eo

Those clips look terrible. Still amazes me that those two are the best America can find.

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« Reply #211 on: June 28, 2024, 08:27:00 AM »
Those clips look terrible. Still amazes me that those two are the best America can find.
it's moved the betting so that a Republican victory is now 13/8 on, was 11/10 on.

They aren't the best the US can find, they are what the system.now produces.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #212 on: June 28, 2024, 08:37:15 AM »

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« Reply #213 on: June 28, 2024, 09:04:59 AM »
it's moved the betting so that a Republican victory is now 13/8 on, was 11/10 on.

They aren't the best the US can find, they are what the system.now produces.

Yes, I initially included the words 'within their system' at the end but edited that out for some reason! Surely the Democrats have to consider an alternative despite the problems listed in the article you linked to.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #214 on: June 28, 2024, 09:18:27 AM »
Yes, I initially included the words 'within their system' at the end but edited that out for some reason! Surely the Democrats have to consider an alternative despite the problems listed in the article you linked to.
I would have thought so but I think the only way is for Biden to be persuaded to stand down. And I doubt any new candidate will be able to deal with the charge that the Democrats were putting an incompetent candidate forward who is also the President.
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« Reply #215 on: June 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM »
I would have thought so but I think the only way is for Biden to be persuaded to stand down. And I doubt any new candidate will be able to deal with the charge that the Democrats were putting an incompetent candidate forward who is also the President.
I think the Dems wanted a debate this early in the electoral cycle (well before the conventions) to allow them to pivot to a new candidate if this happened in the early debate. Remember the Dem convention isn't until mid/late August so there is plenty of time to tee up a successor.

The spin would, of course, be that his health had deteriorated in a manner than they hadn't expected. The problem will be to argue that this means they can't really put him forward as a credible candidate for the next 4 years, but he's still OK as president now.

First - there is no certainty the Dems will actually do this - after last night it is more likely but I'd still say it remains more likely than not that Biden will remain their candidate, unless he, himself, recognises that he can't be.

Secondly - how would a change in candidate affect overall public opinion. Well that's very hard to say and it would depend on who that new candidate is. However one of the main narratives around the election so far is that the public really don't want Biden vs Trump again, so potentially ANOther vs Trump may be seen as a really positive move.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #216 on: June 28, 2024, 10:58:08 AM »
Oh dear, Biden certainly didn't do the Democrats any favours at all in the debate with Trump last night! :o  He has never been that bad before, I wonder someone had put substance into into a drink or food, which Biden unknowingly ingested before he went on air, to make him look senile?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #217 on: June 28, 2024, 11:07:16 AM »
Oh dear, Biden certainly didn't do the Democrats any favours at all in the debate with Trump last night! :o  He has never been that bad before, I wonder someone had put substance into into a drink or food, which Biden unknowingly ingested before he went on air, to make him look senile?
He's quite often looked completely lost. As Prof D, has pointed out one of the reasons the debate was held this early was the known worries.

 Conspiracy theories like the above sound Trumpian.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #218 on: June 28, 2024, 11:55:27 AM »
He's quite often looked completely lost. As Prof D, has pointed out one of the reasons the debate was held this early was the known worries.

 Conspiracy theories like the above sound Trumpian.

You could be right :o I hope a much younger Democratic candidate, who ticks all the right boxes, will be found to replace Biden, a.s.a.p.
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« Reply #219 on: June 28, 2024, 04:05:48 PM »
Oh dear, Biden certainly didn't do the Democrats any favours at all in the debate with Trump last night! :o  He has never been that bad before, I wonder someone had put substance into into a drink or food, which Biden unknowingly ingested before he went on air, to make him look senile?
Crazy conspiracy theory. Remember this guy is the president - I imagine his security team will be have measures in place to avoid the president getting poisoned or drugged - and that will happen all the time, not just in the run up to a debate.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #220 on: June 28, 2024, 04:26:35 PM »
Crazy conspiracy theory. Remember this guy is the president - I imagine his security team will be have measures in place to avoid the president getting poisoned or drugged - and that will happen all the time, not just in the run up to a debate.

I heard he was still getting over a cold, and that could certainly fog his brain somewhat. Nonetheless, I'm not too happy that he's the one who's supposed to be standing against Trump later in the year. The complications of a replacement have been well delineated above, not least by yourself.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #221 on: June 28, 2024, 04:38:38 PM »
I heard he was still getting over a cold, and that could certainly fog his brain somewhat. Nonetheless, I'm not too happy that he's the one who's supposed to be standing against Trump later in the year. The complications of a replacement have been well delineated above, not least by yourself.
I think the replacement issues are certainly tricky as there is no mechanism to boot him off the ticket. So this could only happen if he chose to step aside himself. Now I've no idea what the equivalent of the 'men in grey suits' are over there, but I guess there may be ways in which he might be strongly persuaded to take the decision himself, so to speak.

Somehow I think Obama may well be critical here as he's perhaps the only person with a close enough relationship and sufficient authority to put a hand on Biden's shoulder and say 'time to step back'. But even then there is the complication that a potential front runner were Biden to step down would be Obama's wife.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #222 on: June 28, 2024, 07:31:54 PM »
I happened to switch the TV on and watched a lot of it. Biden has quite a sense of humour: "I'm happy to play golf with you if you carry your own bag. Think you can do it?"

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #223 on: July 01, 2024, 09:35:46 AM »
In polling 72% of US registered voters think Biden is mentally unfit to be President, and 49% think Trump is mentally unfit to be President.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #224 on: July 01, 2024, 12:04:30 PM »

Apparently Biden's family urging him to stay in the race. Hmmm that feels like cruelty to me.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqd9z227y7o