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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #650 on: November 03, 2024, 02:22:34 PM »
Iowa poll has given a bit of a shake to the betting which had been swinging towards Trump to moving back to almost neck and neck

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/shock-poll-puts-harris-ahead-in-iowa-as-vice-president-urges-americans-to-keep-calm-ala-in-saturday-night-live-appearance/ar-AA1tpnQX

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #651 on: November 03, 2024, 04:36:10 PM »
Iowa poll has given a bit of a shake to the betting which had been swinging towards Trump to moving back to almost neck and neck

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/shock-poll-puts-harris-ahead-in-iowa-as-vice-president-urges-americans-to-keep-calm-ala-in-saturday-night-live-appearance/ar-AA1tpnQX

Here's one more reason to hope Harris wins this.👇
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #652 on: November 05, 2024, 11:49:27 AM »
One of the innumerable things that pisses me off about Trump is his habit of giving a clenched-fist salute. That gesture is associated with defiance by oppressed and marginalised groups, especially black people. For an elderly, white, obscenely rich, powerful and privileged man to use it is a studied insult to them.
https://eu.milforddailynews.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/01/09/fist-salute-rightly-belongs-social-progressives/6595052002/
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #653 on: November 05, 2024, 12:07:10 PM »
Here's one more reason to hope Harris wins this.👇
I'm still waiting for Katie Hopkins to run naked down Regent Street with a sausage up her arse.
https://metro.co.uk/2016/05/07/everyone-wants-to-know-when-katie-hopkins-will-run-through-london-with-a-sausage-up-her-bum-5867479/
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #654 on: November 05, 2024, 01:44:22 PM »
Elon Musk is allowed to continue giving away $1 million to voters who sign his petition.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlnjzzk919o

It seems his defence revolved around the fact that the lottery was not an illegal lottery because the prizes were not given out at random. i.e. they were fixing the results.

Anybody want to defend Elon Musk now?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #655 on: November 05, 2024, 02:42:31 PM »
One of the innumerable things that pisses me off about Trump is his habit of giving a clenched-fist salute. That gesture is associated with defiance by oppressed and marginalised groups, especially black people. For an elderly, white, obscenely rich, powerful and privileged man to use it is a studied insult to them.
https://eu.milforddailynews.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/01/09/fist-salute-rightly-belongs-social-progressives/6595052002/
Is it bollocks! Of all the cultural appropriation nonsense I've seen this may be the most idiotic.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #656 on: November 05, 2024, 05:23:52 PM »
Is it bollocks! Of all the cultural appropriation nonsense I've seen this may be the most idiotic.

What next?  Extending the arm to 45% with the fingers outstretched as a sign of multicultural solidarity?

I wouldn't be surprised to see the orange bladder on a stick to start using that sometime though.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #657 on: November 05, 2024, 05:55:44 PM »
What next?  Extending the arm to 45% with the fingers outstretched as a sign of multicultural solidarity?

I wouldn't be surprised to see the orange bladder on a stick to start using that sometime though.
So if he puts his fist up it's a deliberate insult to the workers and blacks but he's really wanting to give a Nazi salute. I think he's dangerous bit this sort of nonsense is a gift to him.

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« Reply #658 on: November 06, 2024, 02:10:13 AM »
Is it bollocks! Of all the cultural appropriation nonsense I've seen this may be the most idiotic.
I too am usually pretty scornful of talk of "Cultural appropriation", but his raised fist struck me as simple cloth-eared bad taste, coming from him. I've even seen a photo of him giving it while wearing a black leather glove, like those two 70s black Olympic athletes, which is really taking the piss.
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« Reply #659 on: November 06, 2024, 07:36:42 AM »
That's Ukraine fucked then.
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« Reply #660 on: November 06, 2024, 09:14:25 AM »
America: Fucking dumbest nation on the planet. Plenty of turkeys voted for Christmas. Women voted to have their reproduction rights taken away from them, minorities voted to be discriminated against more, Hispanics voted to be rounded up and deported, and the less well off voted to have even less chance of getting decent medical care. They also voted to sell off parts of the government to tech bros and the Orange Turd will be straight on the blower to arrange a meeting to give some head to the paedo midget in the Kremlin. Basket case of a country.
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« Reply #661 on: November 06, 2024, 09:19:46 AM »
America: Fucking dumbest nation on the planet. Plenty of turkeys voted for Christmas. Women voted to have their reproduction rights taken away from them, minorities voted to be discriminated against more, Hispanics voted to be rounded up and deported, and the less well off voted to have even less chance of getting decent medical care. They also voted to sell off parts of the government to tech bros and the Orange Turd will be straight on the blower to arrange a meeting to give some head to the paedo midget in the Kremlin. Basket case of a country.
That's one of the best things I've read here.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #662 on: November 06, 2024, 09:33:50 AM »
America: Fucking dumbest nation on the planet. Plenty of turkeys voted for Christmas. Women voted to have their reproduction rights taken away from them, minorities voted to be discriminated against more, Hispanics voted to be rounded up and deported, and the less well off voted to have even less chance of getting decent medical care. They also voted to sell off parts of the government to tech bros and the Orange Turd will be straight on the blower to arrange a meeting to give some head to the paedo midget in the Kremlin. Basket case of a country.

It is hard to understand.

But then as a country, we voted for Boris even with the full knowledge of his economical approach to the truth.

Some people want to be told that issues are straightforward and easy to solve and they believe it when it comes out of the mouths of people who allegedly have some sort of charisma (a charisma that bypasses me totally btw) and who tap into issues that are controversial, although a caveat here, "its the economy stupid". Biden/Harris didn't convince the electorate about their economic successes because people did not feel it in their pockets so Trump had a huge advantage with that issue, no matter that he will in all likelihood put the economy into the dumpster truck.

This morning, an interesting fact was discussed on TV about why the polls were so wrong. It seems 1 in 4 men would lie to their wives about how they voted. If they are prepared to lie to their loved ones then pollsters don't stand much of a chance.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #663 on: November 06, 2024, 09:41:17 AM »
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« Reply #664 on: November 06, 2024, 09:42:47 AM »
It is hard to understand.

But then as a country, we voted for Boris even with the full knowledge of his economical approach to the truth.

Some people want to be told that issues are straightforward and easy to solve and they believe it when it comes out of the mouths of people who allegedly have some sort of charisma (a charisma that bypasses me totally btw) and who tap into issues that are controversial, although a caveat here, "its the economy stupid". Biden/Harris didn't convince the electorate about their economic successes because people did not feel it in their pockets so Trump had a huge advantage with that issue, no matter that he will in all likelihood put the economy into the dumpster truck.

This morning, an interesting fact was discussed on TV about why the polls were so wrong. It seems 1 in 4 men would lie to their wives about how they voted. If they are prepared to lie to their loved ones then pollsters don't stand much of a chance.

True, no doubt.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #665 on: November 06, 2024, 10:31:08 AM »
It is very depressing that they could be crazy enough to vote that evil idiot in again, the USA will soon be a dictatorship imo. >:(

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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #666 on: November 06, 2024, 11:01:52 AM »
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #667 on: November 06, 2024, 11:49:55 AM »
This could have applied in 2016 as well as now.


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« Reply #668 on: November 06, 2024, 11:55:10 AM »
From Humanists UK on Facebook:
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Across the globe this morning, people are waking up to news from the United States that may shock, sadden, and scare us.
Donald Trump's victory represents more than just a change in American leadership – it signals a real shift backwards for human rights and secular values that will reverberate far beyond US borders.
Already, evangelical groups across America are celebrating what they see as a mandate to roll back decades of progress on crucial human rights issues.
We've seen this playbook before, and we know what it means: renewed attacks on women's reproductive rights, LGBT equality, access to assisted dying, and the very foundations of secular democracy. But unlike 2016, Trump has all of the powers of the judiciary, Senate, and House of Representatives on his side. His word is law.
But unlike 2016, Trump has all of the powers of the judiciary, Senate, and House of Representatives on his side. His word is law.
Democracy and humanist values  are under constant threat everywhere. But we at home can protect, promote, and preserve these values.
The influence of the American religious right extends far beyond their shores. Their organisations are well-funded, politically connected, and expert at exporting their agenda globally.
They provide financial support, legal expertise, and political cover to anti-human rights movements worldwide, including the UK. With the full backing of the US government, their ability to undermine human rights and secular values internationally will be dramatically amplified.
During Trump's previous term, we witnessed the devastating real-world impacts: gutting reproductive healthcare access, undermining of legal equality for LGBT people, appointing  religious ideologues to crucial judicial positions, and the elevation of religious privilege over individual rights.
Now we face the prospect of this happening again, but potentially with even greater intensity.
This is not an isolated phenomenon. Across the globe, we're seeing a coordinated pushback against Enlightenment values, scientific reasoning, and human rights. The forces of unreason are indeed on the march, armed with misinformation and emboldened by each victory.
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« Reply #669 on: November 06, 2024, 12:16:15 PM »
The (peaceful) resistance starts now. I certainly don't agree with every word of this, but the general tone is spot-on.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/06/election-trump-president-resistance-america
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #670 on: November 06, 2024, 12:28:48 PM »
The (peaceful) resistance starts now. I certainly don't agree with every word of this, but the general tone is spot-on.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/06/election-trump-president-resistance-america

Very nice, but it sounds like wishful thinking to me.
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« Reply #671 on: November 06, 2024, 12:32:07 PM »
Very nice, but it sounds like wishful thinking to me.
And is way to specific in terms of policy to work.

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« Reply #672 on: November 06, 2024, 12:48:25 PM »
Hopefully, trying to find some sort of positive, this will force European nations to be more united and and assertive in its own values.
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« Reply #673 on: November 06, 2024, 12:57:02 PM »
Very nice, but it sounds like wishful thinking to me.
And is way to specific in terms of policy to work.
Well, I did say I didn't agree with all of it...
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Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Reply #674 on: November 06, 2024, 01:00:17 PM »
Be interesting so see what happens to the various legal cases involving him between now and when he is inaugurated. iirc he is due to be sentenced this month for the stuff he was found of.