US Presidential Election 2024

[Nearly Sane]

Well, I did say I didn't agree with all of it...

It wasn't a criticism of you but that as an approach from Reich, it's the opposite of bipartisan which is what it would need to be.

[Nearly Sane]

Hopefully, trying to find some sort of positive, this will force European nations to be more united and and assertive in its own values.

But are those values substantially different from the US? Arguably there are clearer moves to the right in Europe than in the US, with perhaps the influence of Christian groups in the US being a difference

[Nearly Sane]

Rory McIlroy's take - it's good for golf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/articles/cwyxq53jx5no

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But are those values substantially different from the US? Arguably there are clearer moves to the right in Europe than in the US, with perhaps the influence of Christian groups in the US being a difference

For sure, but the chance is there.

[Spud]

Women voted to have their reproduction rights taken away from them

I read somewhere that a woman can only get pregnant at a certain time during her cycle. So if she doesn't want to get pregnant, she can abstain for a bit. Much better than killing unborn children.

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I read somewhere that a woman can only get pregnant at a certain time during her cycle. So if she doesn't want to get pregnant, she can abstain for a bit. Much better than killing unborn children.

Can you guess how many expletives I'm thinking of right now?

[SteveH]

I don't want to depress anyone more than they already are, but this time the Senate is also Republican (the House remains to be seen), and the orange ogre can do what he likes more, since he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

[SteveH]

I read somewhere that a woman can only get pregnant at a certain time during her cycle. So if she doesn't want to get pregnant, she can abstain for a bit. Much better than killing unborn children.

There's no such thing as an unborn child. If it's unborn, it's a foetus or an embryo. This is typical of the deceitful manipulation of language by the anti-abortion people, like "pro-life": I doubt if many of them are also vegan pacifist opponents of the death penalty.

[Outrider]

Can you guess how many expletives I'm thinking of right now?

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Was this the sort of thing you were looking for, it's what came immediately to mind for me.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Can you guess how many expletives I'm thinking of right now?

I suspect I can because I'm probably in the same place.

[Nearly Sane]

There's no such thing as an unborn child. If it's unborn, it's a foetus or an embryo. This is typical of the deceitful manipulation of language by the anti-abortion people, like "pro-life": I doubt if many of them are also vegan pacifist opponents of the death penalty.

So when a pregnant women talks about the baby she is expecting, she's manipulating language? The problem with such debates is that obviously sides present the language in such a way to make their arguments sound more appealing so for either side to argue it's wrong is hypocritical.

[jeremyp]

The (peaceful) resistance starts now. I certainly don't agree with every word of this, but the general tone is spot-on.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/06/election-trump-president-resistance-america

Hmmm....

They couldn't stop him from gaining power. How are they going to stop him now he has all the power?

[jeremyp]

Rory McIlroy's take - it's good for golf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/articles/cwyxq53jx5no

Dear Mr McIlroy,

please keep your effing mouth shut. It's the end of democracy in the USA, but, hey, it's good for golf.

You twat.

[jeremyp]

I read somewhere that a woman can only get pregnant at a certain time during her cycle. So if she doesn't want to get pregnant, she can abstain for a bit. Much better than killing unborn children.

Do you know what an ectopic pregnancy is?

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Mr McIlroy,

please keep your effing mouth shut. It's the end of democracy in the USA, but, hey, it's good for golf.

You twat.

I am reminded many many years ago at a hustings for a by election, the Tory candidate was asked about the potential of nuclear war, and he told a story about how he had been playing a round of golf in the previous week, and as he played a nine iron into the 16th green, he thought if there was nuclear war, it might be the last time he did that. The hustings almost breathed as one 'Wanker' - I think the same applies to McIlroy.

[Dicky Underpants]

Dear Mr McIlroy,

please keep your effing mouth shut. It's the end of democracy in the USA, but, hey, it's good for golf.

You twat.

As Simon Schama said last night "50% [actually more than 50%] don't care about democracy". Insofar as they actually voted for the orange blob, they appear to have used democracy, but only to put in place someone who will soon start dismantling major aspects of the American constitution and screwing the legal system which accompanies it. Regarding Schama's lengthy diatribe against Trump last night, I suspect he may now need to watch his back (I think he lives in America now). What's the American equivalent of Novichok?

I suddenly feel biblical. I heard one of Mr. T's more enthusiastic supporters saying "I see Trump as the modern Moses leading us into the Promised Land". I suspect that many of the evangelical right are now only too convinced of such sentiments now. It must have been a very small number who reflected upon the scripture which they must have known only too well:

"Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."

Matthew 24, 15-16.

[Nearly Sane]

As Simon Schama said last night "50% [actually more than 50%] don't care about democracy". Insofar as they actually voted for the orange blob, they appear to have used democracy, but only to put in place someone who will soon start dismantling major aspects of the American constitution and screwing the legal system which accompanies it. Regarding Schama's lengthy diatribe against Trump last night, I suspect he may now need to watch his back (I think he lives in America now). What's the American equivalent of Novichok?

I suddenly feel biblical. I heard one of Mr. T's more enthusiastic supporters saying "I see Trump as the modern Moses leading us into the Promised Land". I suspect that many of the evangelical right are now only too convinced of such sentiments now. It must have been a very small number who reflected upon the scripture which they must have known only too well:

"Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."

Matthew 24, 15-16.

I saw Schama, and the idea that voting for Trump.is about not caring about democracy is simply wrong. You can think that many are mistaken, that they've been misleading but this blanket approach to those voters is damaging to the process.

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I saw Schama, and the idea that voting for Trump.is about not caring about democracy is simply wrong. You can think that many are mistaken, that they've been misleading but this blanket approach to those voters is damaging to the process.

Why not call a moron a moron? Or is it a never tell a crazy person they're crazy thing?

[Alan Burns]

It would appear that the American people have used their God given gift of free will to choose the lesser of two evils.

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It would appear that the American people have used their God given gift of free will to choose the lesser of two evils.

What? By electing a fraudster, rapist, dictator admirer and a narcissist?

[Dicky Underpants]

I saw Schama, and the idea that voting for Trump.is about not caring about democracy is simply wrong. You can think that many are mistaken, that they've been misleading but this blanket approach to those voters is damaging to the process.

Maybe Schama's blanket dismissal of Republicans was over the top. But I wonder just how many would follow Trump's own self-confessed dictum "If I win, I'll accept the result" (and if not, I'll try other means") Not quite democracy.
We've been there before, and the situation might have been worse. Charitably, one could say the Republicans turned out in such unprecedented numbers so as to make the result unequivocal without having to resort to violence and fake lawsuits. But I don't think so.

[SteveH]

It would appear that the American people have used their God given gift of free will to choose the lesser of two evils.

What a damn stupid comment. You no doubt have in mind his cynical, politically-motivated opposition to abortion, but there are many issues in the world far more important and threatening that he's on the wrong side of.

[Nearly Sane]

Maybe Schama's blanket dismissal of Republicans was over the top. But I wonder just how many would follow Trump's own self-confessed dictum "If I win, I'll accept the result" (and if not, I'll try other means") Not quite democracy.
We've been there before, and the situation might have been worse. Charitably, one could say the Republicans turned out in such unprecedented numbers so as to make the result unequivocal without having to resort to violence and fake lawsuits. But I don't think so.

  And those who resorted to other means we're a tiny minority of those who voted for Trump. It's not even correct to call them Republicans, they voted for the Republican candidate.

[Dicky Underpants]

What? By electing a fraudster, rapist, dictator admirer and a narcissist?

Perhaps Alan has forgotten that Biden was the Catholic, and Harris appears to be some sort of believer - at least someone with rather more "Christian" credentials than Trump. The latter knows fuck all about Christianity, has never read the Bible (when asked, he couldn't cite one single text), but is happy to play up to his 'holy' image in the eyes of Evangelicals as long as it's useful to him.

[Alan Burns]

There's no such thing as an unborn child. If it's unborn, it's a foetus or an embryo. This is typical of the deceitful manipulation of language by the anti-abortion people, like "pro-life": I doubt if many of them are also vegan pacifist opponents of the death penalty.

foetus, embryo, baby, child, teenager, adult ......
They are all man made labels used to describe different stages of human LIFE