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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #175 on: November 23, 2023, 02:51:25 PM »

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #176 on: November 24, 2023, 12:30:29 PM »
When I read the headline about pilots and air traffic controllers talking to referees about VAR, I looked for the joje but reading the article, I can see it might be useful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67517181

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #177 on: November 24, 2023, 06:52:07 PM »
When I read the headline about pilots and air traffic controllers talking to referees about VAR, I looked for the joje but reading the article, I can see it might be useful.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67517181

This is all one big joke. VAR should be simple. I don't understand why it's so hard in the PL. Instead of asking pilots, why don't they just look a rugby?
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #178 on: November 25, 2023, 10:53:33 AM »
This is all one big joke. VAR should be simple. I don't understand why it's so hard in the PL. Instead of asking pilots, why don't they just look a rugby?
It's easier with Rugby. The game is more stop start by nature
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #179 on: November 29, 2023, 11:34:56 AM »
The rules and the inconsistency between them makes this farce almost inevitable

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #180 on: November 30, 2023, 10:01:38 PM »
Maybe this will feature in a future version of this thread if we are still here

https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/ffp-rule-trial-date-set-premier-league-564897-20231130

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #181 on: December 02, 2023, 01:58:06 PM »
I think it will need an improved England

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #182 on: December 03, 2023, 11:58:55 AM »
I think it will need an improved England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67599057

I doubt it. Scotland are ranked 19 places below England.
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #183 on: December 03, 2023, 12:03:58 PM »
I doubt it. Scotland are ranked 19 places below England.
It's about winning the group in order to have a chance of qualifying for the Olympics. If the Dutch beat Belguuim, England need to beat Scotland by 3 more goals than the Dutch's margin of victory in the Belgium game. Given it was 2-1 to England at home vs Scotland and the article is positing an improved Scotland, then England would need to improve.

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #184 on: December 03, 2023, 12:09:09 PM »
It's about winning the group in order to have a chance of qualifying for the Olympics. If the Dutch beat Belguuim, England need to beat Scotland by 3 more goals than the Dutch's margin of victory in the Belgium game. Given it was 2-1 to England at home vs Scotland and the article is positing an improved Scotland, then England would need to improve.

But if the Dutch don't beat Belgium, just getting more points will be enough.
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #185 on: December 03, 2023, 12:19:54 PM »
But if the Dutch don't beat Belgium, just getting more points will be enough.
And given the Dutch are the other strongest team in the group on form playing Belguim at home...

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #186 on: December 05, 2023, 10:54:59 AM »
A "Monster Mistake".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67618251

Yes, I'd say so. The referee should have shown yellow cards to some of the players trying to intimidate him.

As for the mistake that led to that, it was pretty minor.
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #187 on: December 05, 2023, 09:52:16 PM »

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #188 on: December 06, 2023, 10:37:26 AM »
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #189 on: December 06, 2023, 10:49:09 AM »
Unfortunately, it was not quite enough.
It was the combination of the 2 results and the swings in the last minutes that I thought was extraordinary. Unfortunately because of the weird Olympics qualifying thing, the result will always be questioned, even if it didn't result in England getting through.

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #190 on: December 06, 2023, 10:57:10 AM »
It was the combination of the 2 results and the swings in the last minutes that I thought was extraordinary. Unfortunately because of the weird Olympics qualifying thing, the result will always be questioned, even if it didn't result in England getting through.

How many of Scotland's players would actually have been in the Olympic squad? How many would have got a game? It was a crazy conflict of interest but I don't think many, if any, of the Scotland players would have been thinking about it.

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #191 on: December 06, 2023, 11:07:47 AM »
How many of Scotland's players would actually have been in the Olympic squad? How many would have got a game? It was a crazy conflict of interest but I don't think many, if any, of the Scotland players would have been thinking about it.
The questioners would just say that the number was  potentially greater than zero. As to whether they would have been thinking about it, given they had already been asked about it not only pre game but prior to the start of the group, there's no denying the awareness of it. The result does look like an outlier given both teams general performance in the group, and the match between them in the group when England won 2-1 at home. The same can be said of the Netherlands - Belgium result.
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #192 on: December 06, 2023, 12:45:06 PM »
It was the combination of the 2 results and the swings in the last minutes that I thought was extraordinary. Unfortunately because of the weird Olympics qualifying thing, the result will always be questioned, even if it didn't result in England getting through.
The situation was absolutely crazy and I wonder who this huge conflict of interest wasn't noted earlier. You simply can't have a situation where it is in the interests of players (even some players) on one side to lose and to lose heavily.

So probably for the best that England failed to qualify as I image the Netherlands would have been incensed if England had gone through (or rather GB&NI had gone through) because Scotland (a part of the qualifying team) had lost to England.

Now we won't know how many, if any, Scottish players might have been selected for a GB&NI team, but I suspect Weigman would have had pressure to 'spread the love' and not pick only, of overwhelmingly, English players. And even if there were only a couple of Scottish players on the field last night in contention, others may have believed they were or wanted to help their team mates - which in this case would be by losing heavily.

Oh and just to be clear - I don't think that football should be an Olympic sport anyhow.

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #193 on: December 06, 2023, 01:24:32 PM »
The situation was absolutely crazy and I wonder who this huge conflict of interest wasn't noted earlier. You simply can't have a situation where it is in the interests of players (even some players) on one side to lose and to lose heavily.

So probably for the best that England failed to qualify as I image the Netherlands would have been incensed if England had gone through (or rather GB&NI had gone through) because Scotland (a part of the qualifying team) had lost to England.

Now we won't know how many, if any, Scottish players might have been selected for a GB&NI team, but I suspect Weigman would have had pressure to 'spread the love' and not pick only, of overwhelmingly, English players. And even if there were only a couple of Scottish players on the field last night in contention, others may have believed they were or wanted to help their team mates - which in this case would be by losing heavily.

Oh and just to be clear - I don't think that football should be an Olympic sport anyhow.
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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #194 on: December 06, 2023, 02:48:55 PM »
It was noted earlier - see the link in reply 105.
I think we'd all noted the non-sense of the arrangement previously. But at the time it was a purely theoretical matter - we didn't know that the theoretical conflict would actually be realised whereby the last game(s) of the qualifying would come down to goal difference (or even at one point during the match, goals scored) with England playing Scotland, with England success in the group required for a GB team in the Olympics to remain possible.


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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #195 on: December 07, 2023, 07:56:43 AM »
Great win from Aston Villa. Part of me thinks that Manchester City will just pull together a long run of victories in the second half of the season as they have done frequently lately but very interesting title race.


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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #196 on: December 11, 2023, 05:32:04 PM »
'Greek football goes behind closed doors for two months'

Huge action to take but will it really address the problems?

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #197 on: December 11, 2023, 11:30:25 PM »

So after Greece suspend crowds, Turkey suspends football. Quite incredible stuff with a club president attacking a ref.

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #198 on: December 19, 2023, 04:10:02 PM »
Steve Cooper sacked at Notts Forest

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Re: Football 2023 - 2024
« Reply #199 on: December 19, 2023, 05:04:18 PM »