Floo's Farm

[Enki]

Some people on this forum will remember Floo(later she came back as 'Roses' I believe.) They might also remember how she talked about a farm she lived on in North Wales which had a field where a vision of the Virgin Mary had been claimed.

Yesterday evening I came back from dancing and was idly flicking through various TV channels when I happened to see the last part of a BBC1 programme called 'Paranormal:The Girl, The Ghost and the Gravestones'. As I watched the last ten minutes I slowly realised I was probably watching our friend Floo talking about the ghostly happenings at her Penyffordd Farm.

As all of the four episodes are on BBC IPlayer, this morning I watched the first one and, sure enough, It was all about this 'ghostly' farm and there was Floo in all her glory.

I am not going to comment on the quality of the programmes, but, for those who remember Floo(Roses), you might well find it interesting, especially as we have some considerable background knowledge of her many posts on this forum.

If you want to watch the four episodes, IPlayer has them all. Just use search and put in the word 'Paranormal'

[SteveH]

I made a post yesterday in 'What are you watching?' in 'Literature, Music etc.' on the same subject. Here's a link to the first programme (of four): Roses herself appears in the last programme.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0g31444/paranormal-the-girl-the-ghost-and-the-gravestone

[Sriram]

Floo's experiences were discussed here some years back.

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=10788.0

In case anyone is interested.

Here is something more..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northeastwales/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8359000/8359261.stm

[Nearly Sane]

The programmes could have done with a lot of editing, but with some fast forwarding there is an interesting story there. One of the questions posed is why would any person or persons carry out the acts, or lie about them, and yet no one ever asks why any 'spirit' would act like that.

[Sriram]

What do we know about the compulsions and motivations of another level or form of life altogether?  We can only observe that they are there....

[Aruntraveller]

What do we know about the compulsions and motivations of another level or form of life altogether?  We can only observe that they are there....

....or we can quite reasonably suggest that someone is having us on.

[Sriram]

Only habitual skeptics would do that. There are too many cases around the world and across generations, for it to be dismissed so casually.

[Aruntraveller]

Only habitual skeptics would do that. There are too many cases around the world and across generations, for it to be dismissed so casually.

Who you calling habitual? I'm only sceptical when any day in a week has a "y" in it.

There are lots of unexplained phenomena for sure. I don't happen to believe they have a supernatural element. I don't believe in ghosts because the evidence is lacking. Whenever people have told me they have seen a ghost the descriptions and the circumstances lead me to believe they were dreaming/hallucinating/misinterpreting matters.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that human beings have always been great story tellers. I apply that in the literal sense of story telling or in the more pejorative sense of telling untruths.

[Nearly Sane]

What do we know about the compulsions and motivations of another level or form of life altogether?  We can only observe that they are there....

How?

[Sriram]

How?

What do you mean 'how?'   The same way Rose and others observed it.

[Nearly Sane]

What do you mean 'how?'   The same way Rose and others observed it.

How do you get to your idea that it was some non human entity?

[Sriram]

There is no reason to believe otherwise....unless you are a sworn materialist....!

[Nearly Sane]

There is no reason to believe otherwise....unless you are a sworn materialist....!

So when people saw the 'Miracle of the Sun', the sun really was swinging around in the sky?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

[Aruntraveller]

There is no reason to believe otherwise....unless you are a sworn materialist....!

Yes, because in the whole of human history no-one has been mistaken, no-one has misunderstood, no-one has tried to mislead, no-one has tried to mystify others. Ever.

Crop Circles. Cottingley Fairies. Amityville Horror. All absolutely true. There is no reason to believe otherwise. Oh wait....

[Gordon]

There is no reason to believe otherwise....unless you are a sworn materialist....!

Bearing in mind that the claim is 'ghost' and taking into account the provenance of the claim, and the key claimant, I reckon we can just dismiss this claim and this plodding TV programme.

[Sriram]

Philosophical ideas  of a soul and spirit are well known. NDE's are well known.  Based on these...there is no reason not to accept ghosts and spirits. Such experiences are very common world over for thousands of years. 

[Nearly Sane]

Philosophical ideas  of a soul and spirit are well known. NDE's are well known.  Based on these...there is no reason not to accept ghosts and spirits. Such experiences are very common world over for thousands of years.

Harry Potter is well known.

[Maeght]

Philosophical ideas  of a soul and spirit are well known. NDE's are well known.  Based on these...there is no reason not to accept ghosts and spirits. Such experiences are very common world over for thousands of years.

Ideas and unexplained experiences aren't a reason to accept that ghosts exist.

[Sriram]

We should accept only your inane 'explanations' of hoax, shadows, wind, imagination etc. etc. ?!   

[Maeght]

We should accept only your inane 'explanations' of hoax, shadows, wind, imagination etc. etc. ?!   

You never will I know. You are to far gone and too certain about your beliefs to actually consider alternative explanations. Try actually addressing the points being made rather than labelling things as inane or talking about 'you people' or even worse posting links to your blog. Ideas and unexplained experiences - whatever they are - aren't a reason to accept any claim. Discuss.

[torridon]

Philosophical ideas  of a soul and spirit are well known. NDE's are well known.  Based on these...there is no reason not to accept ghosts and spirits. Such experiences are very common world over for thousands of years.

Most people do not think scientifically or logically about such things.  Many people find it easier to go along with popular superstitious claims rather than putting in the hard yards to eliminate the legacy of culturally induced irrational thinking.

[Sriram]

Maeght

If such complex and abstract matters could be resolved through mere discussions and opinions....we wouldn't have such fundamental differences, would we?!!

[Maeght]

Maeght

If such complex and abstract matters could be resolved through mere discussions and opinions....we wouldn't have such fundamental differences, would we?!!

Things can be resolved through discussion of facts if people are willing to do so and are able to accept that their opinions are not facts or evidence.

[Sriram]

Things can be resolved through discussion of facts if people are willing to do so and are able to accept that their opinions are not facts or evidence.

To be able to notice and understand the evidence, people should have the necessary faculty and insight.

[Gordon]

To be able to notice and understand the evidence, people should have the necessary faculty and insight.

That sounds like a recipe for confirmation bias.

One of the oddities in this whole pantomime is how an avowed and strident atheist found themselves able to also believe in 'ghosts'.