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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #500 on: May 03, 2024, 11:48:00 AM »
The issue with student protests hits Ireland


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0wzgp7q0do

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« Reply #501 on: May 03, 2024, 01:27:57 PM »
Odd that nothing seems to be being said.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/what-we-know-about-sangita-myskas-absence-from-lbc-radio-162116111.html
Is it odd? It's long been known that the Israeli Zionist lobby has its tentacles all over the place putting pressure on media and other organisations. AIPAC is well-known for it in the US. And lobby groups work the same way over here. Nothing covert about it so not quite sure why there are squeals of anti-semitic tropes from some sectors every time it is highlighted that pro-Zionist lobbying campaigns are used to bring pressure on organisations. Possibly just another attempt by the pro-Zionist lobby to squeal anti-semitism at every available opportunity to try to control the narrative and put people expressing legitimate criticism on the back-foot by playing the victim card. I would take being called anti-semitic by the Zionist lobby as a compliment these days, since the term has lost all meaning if it is wheeled out every time you criticise Zionist tactics.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-lawmaker-apologizes-after-remarks-on-jewish-and-zionist-lobby-tentacles/
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« Reply #502 on: May 03, 2024, 03:41:51 PM »
Is it odd? It's long been known that the Israeli Zionist lobby has its tentacles all over the place putting pressure on media and other organisations. AIPAC is well-known for it in the US. And lobby groups work the same way over here. Nothing covert about it so not quite sure why there are squeals of anti-semitic tropes from some sectors every time it is highlighted that pro-Zionist lobbying campaigns are used to bring pressure on organisations. Possibly just another attempt by the pro-Zionist lobby to squeal anti-semitism at every available opportunity to try to control the narrative and put people expressing legitimate criticism on the back-foot by playing the victim card. I would take being called anti-semitic by the Zionist lobby as a compliment these days, since the term has lost all meaning if it is wheeled out every time you criticise Zionist tactics.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-lawmaker-apologizes-after-remarks-on-jewish-and-zionist-lobby-tentacles/

Following on from your post is this, which feels to me like going against the US First Amendment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-vote-antisemitism-bill-campus-arrests-rcna150170


It's got a very odd collection of people against it but I would certainly be one.


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« Reply #503 on: May 04, 2024, 11:17:04 AM »
Following on from your post is this, which feels to me like going against the US First Amendment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-vote-antisemitism-bill-campus-arrests-rcna150170


It's got a very odd collection of people against it but I would certainly be one.
The IHRA's definition of antisemitism is a rather blatant attempt to silence criticism of Israel by conflating it with antisemitism. you can't criticise Israel's human rights record unless you also criticise other countries' as well, which is a tiresomely common tactic of the country's uncritical defenders.
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« Reply #504 on: May 04, 2024, 11:28:24 AM »
The IHRA's definition of antisemitism is a rather blatant attempt to silence criticism of Israel by conflating it with antisemitism. you can't criticise Israel's human rights record unless you also criticise other countries' as well, which is a tiresomely common tactic of the country's uncritical defenders.
As noted, I struggle to see how as phrased it isn't in breach of the US's First Amendment.

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« Reply #505 on: May 04, 2024, 02:35:29 PM »
Some of the papers reported declining votes for Labour in the local elections in England, based on their position on Gaza. But highlighting Labour's reluctance to call for a ceasefire in Gaza does not feel like an orchestrated, slick campaign.

In the US, the Zionist lobbies openly spend millions of dollars on funding campaigns against candidates critical of Israel and supporting pro-Israel candidates - AIPAC represents less than 3% of the electorate but has a disproportionate influence on US foreign policy. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/17/pro-israel-lobby-defeat-democrats-palestinians-2022
   
For the 2020 US elections - there were a few challenge to AIPAC- endorsed candidates
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/meet-challengers-taking-pro-israel-democrats-us-congress

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/12/rashida-tlaib-censure-congress-palestinian-rights-gaza

During her single two-year term in Congress, Marie Newman co-led the fight with Wisconsin Congressman Mark Pocan to put a spotlight on Israel’s home demolitions and evictions of Palestinians from the East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah in May 2021, which was signed by nearly 30 members of Congress.

Newman also supported blocking additional US funding for the “Iron Dome,” criticized Israel’s targeting of Palestinian children during raids and military operations.

As a consequence, Newman was often attacked by pro-Israel activists, rightwing members of Congress and even members of the Democratic Party as being “antisemitic” because she challenged Israel’s government policies.

She lost her seat in Congress in 2022 to Sean Casten

Because of her views, the pro-Israel organisation Democratic Majority for Israel endorsed Casten, and its Super PAC spent more than $540,000 to support him against Newman. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pro-palestine-democrat-marie-newman-loses-congressional-seat
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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #507 on: May 05, 2024, 05:25:26 PM »
Israel closes down Al Jazeera and raids its office.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68961753

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« Reply #508 on: May 07, 2024, 10:24:41 AM »
Hamas accepting ceasefire deal a ruse according to Israeli govt.


https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-accepts-proposed-ceasefire-deal-13128702

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« Reply #509 on: May 08, 2024, 02:22:00 PM »
Hamas accepting ceasefire deal a ruse according to Israeli govt.


https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-accepts-proposed-ceasefire-deal-13128702

This is one of the main problems IMO. Israel accepted the 1948 Partition as a first step to grabbing more land - they never intended to stick with the land they were given, and the Arabs who were already there inhabiting the land knew that Israelis would try to expand their territory, hence their strong objections to the suggestion of the creation of a state of Israel.

I suspect Hamas are the same as the Zionists and will accept a deal only on the basis that they want to change the reality on the ground later - bit like the British government did with the Brexit deal and the Good Friday Agreement . We have been repeatedly shown that plenty of governments and militants can't be trusted to stick to any deals they make.

On the basis that terrorist organisations are just governments-in-waiting (Irgun was the Zionist terrorist/ militant organisation fighting the British in Palestine and its commander-in-chief, Menachem Begin, went on to become Prime Minister of Israel) , not sure there is anything to choose between Hamas and the Israeli government.

Given the evidence of the Israeli government's propensity to murder / starve/ terrorise Arab civilians of which about 50% are children, there does not seem any rational reason to have a preference for and stand 'shoulder to shoulder' with this corrupt, nationalistic Zionist government focused on preserving the Jewishness of its state, enforcing its apartheid policies and continuing its illegal occupation of Palestinian territories. Anyone who prefers Israeli terrorism over Palestinian terrorism is displaying some pretty substantial and indefensible prejudices and bias.
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« Reply #511 on: May 08, 2024, 04:48:39 PM »
But Israel's on the naughty step, and not getting all the bombs it wants

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68978322

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« Reply #512 on: May 10, 2024, 05:29:20 PM »
'UN general assembly calls on Security Council to admit Palestine as member' - a little way off, I suspect.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68983650

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« Reply #513 on: May 12, 2024, 12:56:31 PM »
Avi Hyman, Israeli spokesman for psychopathic Israeli government,  shows Israeli government is not very good at lying... and the Israeli government doesn't care how many Palestinian civilians they have killed because they have no idea what the number of civilian dead is.

https://youtu.be/QvGkKKemIDk?si=UlqLxhx7LwuTiJNI

Nothing to choose between the Israeli government and Hamas and some Western politicians and moralists, all of whom think there are circumstances where indiscriminate mass killing of civilians (over 50% of whom are children) can be overlooked in pursuit of your political goals.

Evidence that religion isn't the problem here - since the governments standing 'shoulder to shoulder' with Israel while Israel is killing and starving thousands of civilians are not theocracies or basing their decisions on religious dogma.

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« Reply #514 on: May 12, 2024, 04:05:18 PM »
More Israeli terrorism - Israel's apologists no doubt proud of the bias in their moral choice to continue dialogue with their terrorist 'friends' in Israel's government while not talking to Hamas terrorists. Psychopathic Israeli government kidnaps, tortures and murders Palestinians, including leading Palestinian surgeon from Gaza

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/03/middleeast/gaza-surgeon-adnan-al-bursh-israeli-prison-intl-hnk/index.html

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« Reply #516 on: May 15, 2024, 09:21:09 AM »
Some weapons are obviously nice weapons


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-69013279

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« Reply #517 on: May 16, 2024, 07:26:44 PM »
ICJ considering the legality of Israel's Rafah offensive

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pypkjjljno

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« Reply #518 on: May 17, 2024, 08:54:18 AM »
Not sure how any ICJ judgement will be enforced. I guess it's symbolic.

The law enforcement in UCLA did not seem to want to intervene against violent attacks on students protesting against Israel's genocidal attacks on Gaza. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/ucla-campus-violence-protests

Meanwhile, the Israeli police are cracking down on anti-war protestors.

https://www.wusf.org/2024-01-19/israeli-protesters-demand-gaza-cease-fire-in-rare-anti-war-march-through-tel-aviv

ACRI's Executive Director Noa Sattath said there is an "unprecedented" crackdown on free speech in Israel. Police are tracking and arresting activists not only at protests, but also on their way to protests, she said.

ACRI filed an official complaint against Israel's police chief, Kobi Shabtai, after he said anyone who wants to identify with Gaza can go there.

"I'll help them get there," he said in October.
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« Reply #519 on: May 17, 2024, 09:05:44 AM »
'Israel troops continue posting abuse footage despite pledge to act' - if the Israeli govt cared enough to pretend that it thought this was wrong it would stop.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-69020237

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« Reply #520 on: May 17, 2024, 10:21:58 AM »
'Fifa to make legal assessment on Israel suspension' - will be interesting to see what happens here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cyx65r72d50o

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« Reply #521 on: May 19, 2024, 10:34:15 AM »
'Israel war cabinet minister vows to quit if there is no post-war plan for Gaza'  - not sure how you continue to work together if your virulent disagreement, even if it seems on a mainly personal level, are this public.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cekkz82gnzgo

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« Reply #522 on: May 21, 2024, 08:48:34 AM »
'What ICC arrest warrants mean for Israel and Hamas'

It would appear that the Paul Daniels answer is appropriate


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4490z75v3o

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« Reply #523 on: May 21, 2024, 11:12:14 AM »
'What ICC arrest warrants mean for Israel and Hamas'

It would appear that the Paul Daniels answer is appropriate


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4490z75v3o
Watching the reports on this, it's clear that what it has achieved is much more unity in the Israeli govt than what was being shown previously.

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« Reply #524 on: May 21, 2024, 11:34:58 AM »
Michael Gove's speech today clearly linking, despite some careful phrasing,  pretty much all protesting against the Israeli govt's actions in Gaza as anti semitism. It was a very good speech, note I don't mean by that that I agreed with it. I think the analysis is flawed and simplistic but deliberately so. Rather it was well constructed and will play well with those Gove is aiming at. The linking of this all to a global battle for right will work well with the 'centre ground' who would oppose Russia, China.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13442195/Michael-Gove-Gaza-pro-Palestine-protesters-blind-eye-anti-Semitism.html