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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #700 on: January 14, 2025, 11:17:02 AM »
Not sure a ceasefire will help anyway if the land grabs by Israel, the settlement expansion and the blockade of Gaza and control of land, sea, air and movement of its population continues. These are what caused 7 October. So if those issues aren’t resolved politically, after a period of time there will be another 7 October by Hamas or some other outfit and more bombing of Gaza to drive the Palestinians off the land so Israel can acquire it and expand Israeli settlements into what hardliners consider as part of Greater Israel. Much like Russian expansion into Crimea.

Wonder how Netanyahu will deal with Israeli hardliners in his cabinet and coalition who oppose a truce and want to kill more Palestinian civilians- seeing their deaths and the deaths of Israelis as necessary to meet their territorial objectives.

One of the issues is whether a “ceasefire” will prevent more of this. https://news.sky.com/story/cctv-footage-reveals-shocking-moment-80-year-old-is-shot-in-idf-raid-as-un-expert-calls-it-war-crime-13286126

There seems to be no accountability when the IDF carry out their operations eg where the IDF hide in ambulances to shoot Palestinian women or if they bomb, shoot or kidnap women and children. That makes the IDF no different to the Hamas operations where Israeli civilians are shot or kidnapped.

UK politicians “do politics” with the Israeli government despite the IDF terrorist tactics and their refusal to stop carrying out these kind of operations and worse, and UK politicians “do politics” with dictators and human rights abusers and mass murderers of civilians for economic benefit - so looks like it’s arbitrary bias and prejudice to have cited “moral” concerns when some people condemned Corbyn for “doing politics” with Hamas. 



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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #701 on: January 15, 2025, 05:37:31 PM »

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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #703 on: January 16, 2025, 11:27:56 AM »
 There isn't a ceasefire yet as the Israeli Govt has not voted on it, and the vote has been pushed back by Netanyahu.

Expect more murders.
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« Reply #704 on: January 19, 2025, 09:19:09 AM »
Not just more murders by the IDF but also kidnapping and systemic sexual assault and rape of Palestinians by the IDF has been a feature of the treatment of Palestinians for years.

Racism and bigotry would explain why the media and Israel apologists only focused on reports of Hamas sexual assault on 7 October and made them out to be a justification for bombing Palestinian women and children.

Maybe Hamas thought 7 October was justified in response to repeated acts of rape and sexual assault of Palestinians.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-sexual-abuse-palestinian-prisoners-rcna165811

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/9/everything-is-legitimate-israeli-leaders-defend-soldiers-accused-of-rape

....for some, including the country’s far-right finance minister, the outrage has centred on the “crime” of recording the video, rather than the alleged rape itself.

Taking to X, formerly Twitter, on Thursday night, Bezalel Smotrich demanded “an immediate criminal investigation to locate the leakers of the trending video that was intended to harm the reservists and that caused tremendous damage to Israel in the world and to exhaust the full severity of the law against them”.

Others, including the hard right and ultranationalist politicians, such as National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, within Israel, have argued that any action – even gang rape – is permissible if it is undertaken for the security of the state.

The video of the alleged gang rape at Sde Teiman is the latest piece in a growing body of evidence of abuse, sexual assault and the systematic withholding of food and medical care that Palestinians endure within the Israeli prison system.
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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #705 on: January 26, 2025, 12:38:15 AM »
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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #706 on: February 05, 2025, 07:13:01 AM »

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« Reply #707 on: February 05, 2025, 07:28:28 AM »
Utterly bizarre

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyn05y9x2xt

Indeed: just been reading these reports.

Even for a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur, this notion is spectacularly unhinged.

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« Reply #708 on: February 05, 2025, 07:31:12 AM »
Indeed: just been reading these reports.

Even for a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur, this notion is spectacularly unhinged.
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« Reply #709 on: February 05, 2025, 08:09:19 AM »
Was described on the Today programme as a real estate solution to a political problem. To be fair, the political solutions in the past brought us here.
So that’s tariffs on Egypt and Jordan if they don’t take the Gazans in.

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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #710 on: February 05, 2025, 08:29:35 AM »
Perhaps someone should distract Trump by encouraging to intervene so as to solve the conflict between the Eloi and the Morlocks - after all, surely he could do no harm there.

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« Reply #711 on: February 05, 2025, 08:44:10 AM »
So that’s tariffs on Egypt and Jordan if they don’t take the Gazans in.
Who knows? Again the issue surely is that all those throwing their hands up, including me, supported policies that were demonstrably not working.

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« Reply #712 on: February 05, 2025, 08:50:11 AM »
Who knows? Again the issue surely is that all those throwing their hands up, including me, supported policies that were demonstrably not working.
Do you think this has a chance, or has Pollyanna monetised her services?

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« Reply #713 on: February 05, 2025, 09:28:21 AM »
So that’s tariffs on Egypt and Jordan if they don’t take the Gazans in.
How about tariffs on Israel if they don't take Gazans in?

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« Reply #714 on: February 05, 2025, 10:52:38 AM »
Do you think this has a chance, or has Pollyanna monetised her services?
it seems utterly mad to me, but who knows. It obviously isn't even a plan for plan, it's kite flying but maybe something will come of it.

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« Reply #715 on: February 05, 2025, 11:46:30 AM »
Do you think this has a chance, or has Pollyanna monetised her services?

My understanding is that, while there are several accords and accommodations in place, currently, it's technically considered to be Israeli land (albeit via an occupation), and Israel could choose to cede territory to the US, or lease it or any number of other arrangements. People could complain to all sorts of bodies, but there's no superior court that has any binding hold on Israel, especially on something that's technically an internal matter.

The only hold the likes of the UN and other bodies have is to highlight the plight of displaced Palestinians in such an event, and I suspect Trump and his allies don't have any shits to give about that - they'd likely see it as a badge of honour if an established body like the UN were to express its disapproval.

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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #716 on: February 11, 2025, 08:41:04 AM »
The games people play, we never really move out of the schoolyard

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd649p8yq16o

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« Reply #717 on: February 26, 2025, 09:19:11 PM »
"BBC criticised by 500 media figures for pulling Gaza documentary" - there's a legitimate question about the documentary in terms of the BBC's knowledge. The signatories just seem simplistic to me.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3374xm65mvo

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« Reply #718 on: March 05, 2025, 09:32:38 PM »
Perhaps like only Nixon could go to China, only Trump can go to Gaza

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mwln4p87do

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Re: Hamas attacks Israel.
« Reply #719 on: March 18, 2025, 07:01:57 AM »
As so often just now, I feel like an incredibly sarcastic Young Mr Grace, waving my walking stick and saying It's All Going Very Well


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