Horizon scandal: Call for all Post Office convictions to be overturned

[Nearly Sane]

But not much on the actual system


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6ez6p567do

[jeremyp]

But not much on the actual system


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6ez6p567do

Not quite sure what you are saying here. Looks like it's still a version of Horizon.

[Nearly Sane]

Not quite sure what you are saying here. Looks like it's still a version of Horizon.

Sorry, I should have quoted the previous post where I had noted that there had been progress on the compensation scheme, and was then contrasting that with the system still causing problems.

[jeremyp]

Sorry, I should have quoted the previous post where I had noted that there had been progress on the compensation scheme, and was then contrasting that with the system still causing problems.

That makes sense. I find it somewhat surprising that they still can't make it at least get the numbers right.

[Nearly Sane]

That makes sense. I find it somewhat surprising that they still can't make it at least get the numbers right.

I don't know if they have just given up on the system because of the mess but even so it's 20 years of wrong.

[jeremyp]

I don't know if they have just given up on the system because of the mess but even so it's 20 years of wrong.

I'd be surprised if the original software even ran on modern hardware. It may just be that they are still calling it "Horizon" even though much of it has been rewritten.

[Nearly Sane]

More lying.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgw9e9708xo

[Nearly Sane]

And a new, but older scandal?


https://news.sky.com/story/second-post-office-it-scandal-report-says-it-is-likely-capture-software-caused-shortfalls-13225363

[Nearly Sane]

The slow progress sees another sub post mistress die before it's sorted


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm24r00146po

[Nearly Sane]

 Kier tardy in replying to Alan Bates


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz7w00jpzj8t

[jeremyp]

Kier tardy in replying to Alan Bates


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz7w00jpzj8t

That's a link to a BBC live feed. The story you want to highlight will eventually disappear at the bottom of the page. I recommend you use the "share" button to share links to live feeds. And, since the URL is a bit of a monstrosity...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz7w00jpzj8t?post=asset%3A82406a40-1a74-41d0-a540-2cbe88bcbf27#post

... , use URL BBCode like this: the story you want, I think.

[Nearly Sane]

Someone rushed out a reply

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v372zyz98o

[Nearly Sane]

Last week for the inquiry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3vl3lgpv5et

[Nearly Sane]

"'Dozens' being investigated over Post Office scandal" - but cases may not be brought till 2027 at the earliest. I fear that many of them will fail due to the time passed, combined with the complexity of the cases 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgr19lwgv0o

[jeremyp]

"'Dozens' being investigated over Post Office scandal" - but cases may not be brought till 2027 at the earliest. I fear that many of them will fail due to the time passed, combined with the complexity of the cases 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgr19lwgv0o

It's secondary anyway. It's more important to make the victims whole again as far as possible and to learn the lessons that will prevent something like this happening again.

[Nearly Sane]

It's secondary anyway. It's more important to make the victims whole again as far as possible and to learn the lessons that will prevent something like this happening again.

Surely one of the things that will make at least some of the victims to be whole again is as is covered in the article people being held responsible. And one of the things that would make it less likely to happen again is being being held responsible.

[jeremyp]

Surely one of the things that will make at least some of the victims to be whole again is as is covered in the article people being held responsible. And one of the things that would make it less likely to happen again is being being held responsible.

The report will tell us who is responsible. What you imply is that vengeance is needed.

[Nearly Sane]

The report will tell us who is responsible. What you imply is that vengeance is needed.

Why is holding people responsible for this, vengeance, as opposed to justice?

[jeremyp]

Why is holding people responsible for this, vengeance, as opposed to justice?

Justice would be for people who have broken the law to face the consequences of that. Justice involves an element of retribution (a better word than vengeance, that I should have used in my previous post). However, putting somebody in prison isn't going to help the victims in this case.

[Nearly Sane]

Justice would be for people who have broken the law to face the consequences of that. Justice involves an element of retribution (a better word than vengeance, that I should have used in my previous post). However, putting somebody in prison isn't going to help the victims in this case.

Except  some victims would seem to disagree from the article, and it would show that there are consequences to such actions which is important if you are to avoid it happening again?

[Steve H]

Why is holding people responsible for this, vengeance, as opposed to justice?

"Justice" is too often a euphemism for vengeance. People should be prosecuted, but it's of secondary importance.

[Nearly Sane]

"Justice" is too often a euphemism for vengeance. People should be prosecuted, but it's of secondary importance.

Not to having a culture of responsibility. And not to some of the victims. Too often in large scandals like this, no one has had any accountability, and it rots people's faith in what justice means.

[Gordon]

I'd have thought that if investigations showed that those behind the prosecutions that have subsequently been found to be unsafe, and for which compensation is judged appropriate, had failed to properly discharge their responsibilities to the extent of perjury or flagrant misconduct, then they should be held accountable for their actions.

After all, they held to account people who were wrongly punished, so in turn they should answer for any harm their conduct caused to others.

[Harrowby Hall]

"Justice" is too often a euphemism for vengeance. People should be prosecuted, but it's of secondary importance.

Justice is a process not an outcome.

[jeremyp]

Except  some victims would seem to disagree from the article, and

But you want due process, right? These people have to have broken a law in a demonstrable way and you can't put them in prison just because it might make some other people feel a bit better about the whole thing.

it would show that there are consequences to such actions which is important if you are to avoid it happening again?

There seems to have been a culture of denying that anything was wrong. Perhaps if the consequences of admitting fault weren't so dire, people wouldn't have done all the covering up in the first place and all this would never have happened.