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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #200 on: May 24, 2024, 11:04:01 AM »
I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. I said “who could have predicted in 2015 that we would have had five different prime ministers by now”. He said “yes, and who could have predicted that Theresa May would be the best one.”
Not sure that best is an appropriate term in this classification. 'Least shite'?

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #201 on: May 24, 2024, 05:30:43 PM »
Did Sunak lie to the mother of a man killed in the Manchester Arena bomb 4 hours before he announced the election?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/martyn-s-law-figen-murray-says-she-feels-misled-by-rishi-sunak-over-broken-promises/ar-BB1mZOoD
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #203 on: May 24, 2024, 07:54:28 PM »
Jonathan Freedland - Make this the punishment election. Powerful article, but not sure what he wants us to do, other than not vote Tory.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/24/punishment-election-tories-voters-lies
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #204 on: May 24, 2024, 08:04:14 PM »
Jonathan Freedland - Make this the punishment election. Powerful article, but not sure what he wants us to do, other than not vote Tory.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/24/punishment-election-tories-voters-lies
As much tactical voting as possible is what I think he's getting at.

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #205 on: May 25, 2024, 09:21:23 AM »
Ppity Gove has decided to stand down - I'd've loved to see him having a Portillo moment on election night.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #206 on: May 25, 2024, 09:50:51 AM »
Ppity Gove has decided to stand down - I'd've loved to see him having a Portillo moment on election night.
Wasn't going to happen so just enjoy this. I suspect Michael is off to make himself very rich, and that his anti semitism speech this week was in the way of an advert.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #207 on: May 25, 2024, 10:46:09 AM »
Jam at some unspecified time in the far future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c100n7djyr6o

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #208 on: May 25, 2024, 10:53:06 AM »
From Ben Jennings

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #209 on: May 25, 2024, 11:09:03 AM »
Just googled to find out who my Tory candidate is, now that puce-faced oaf "Sir" Mike Penning is joining the many Tory MPs standing down. He is some young whippersnapper who can't spell his own name, called Jaymey McIvor. The local Tories don't seem to be doing much campaigning on his behalf: maybe they've written Hemel off, and are concentrating their efforts on more winnable nearby seats..
In other news, yes, it probably is.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #210 on: May 25, 2024, 11:19:59 AM »
Just googled to find out who my Tory candidate is, now that puce-faced oaf "Sir" Mike Penning is joining the many Tory MPs standing down. He is some young whippersnapper who can't spell his own name, called Jaymey McIvor. The local Tories don't seem to be doing much campaigning on hid behalf: maybe they've written Hemel off, and are concentrating their efforts on more winnable nearby seats..
In other news, yes, it probably is.

The seat I was in is no longer. It's not been redrawn, it's disappeared, it has ceased to be, it has shuffled off.... etc etc.


The bit I'm in has been folded into Glasgow East. The MP for the current Glasgow East seat is the SNP candidate this time. The SNP for my current seat, Alison Thewliss, was in the run off with him but lost, though they did get another redrawn seat to be a candidate in as 'sex pest' Patrick Grady the MP for that seat is moving on - for obvious reasons.

The day after the vote happened - beginning of last year, the MP David Linden came round canvassing his potential new constituents. I was impressed - first time been canvassed in 15 years, and first time by the MP or candidate in over 35 years 

I suspect though he's toast. I would think it will be a Labour seat. Their candidate is a partner in a law firm. Doesn't appear to have much connection with the seat.

My vote will be dependent on the candidate's view on women's rights to sex based spaces.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #211 on: May 25, 2024, 11:38:50 AM »
Quite right too. Only thing to do with them, if you ask me.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #212 on: May 25, 2024, 12:40:04 PM »
Labour going to lower the voting age to 16?

https://archive.fo/Ldd1x

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #213 on: May 25, 2024, 07:32:29 PM »
The surprise election seems likely to mean that there will be a few candidates who might not be completely vetted. Given the problems with recent by elections, it will be interesting to see what effect any scandals might have.

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #214 on: May 25, 2024, 11:25:06 PM »
Tories to bring back 'National Service'.

It seems the sort of gamble they need to make to try and shake stuff up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdo

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #215 on: May 26, 2024, 06:32:07 AM »
Blatant appeal to the blimpiish tendency.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #216 on: May 26, 2024, 09:12:28 AM »
Cost estimated at 2.5 billion. Number of 18 year olds 717252. This equates to an outlay of £3485 per person. Will those who opt for National Service with the armed forces get remuneration out of that amount? How will overstretched services like the NHS afford the staff to guide 18-year-olds through their voluntary service - or will they end up serving tea for the RVS? All these questions and more will never be answered.

The last time the Tories promised a Royal Commission (Criminal Justice System) it never happened.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #217 on: May 26, 2024, 09:23:17 AM »
Cost estimated at 2.5 billion. Number of 18 year olds 717252. This equates to an outlay of £3485 per person. Will those who opt for National Service with the armed forces get remuneration out of that amount? How will overstretched services like the NHS afford the staff to guide 18-year-olds through their voluntary service - or will they end up serving tea for the RVS? All these questions and more will never be answered.

The last time the Tories promised a Royal Commission (Criminal Justice System) it never happened.
Oh it's utter bollocks but symbolic bollocks is their only hope, other than it being discovered that Starmer wrote the Space Babies episode of Doctor Who, while giving Charles and Kate cancer, and mind controlling Paula Vennells while she was in charge of the Post Office.

It would appear from Cleverley on Kuennsberg that it is complete fagpacketry as well as he appears to know very little about it - plus ça change...
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #218 on: May 26, 2024, 10:44:19 AM »
Now trying to figure out how it is mandatory given that there will be no sanction for not taking part according to Cleverly.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #219 on: May 26, 2024, 10:59:44 AM »
Now trying to figure out how it is mandatory given that there will be no sanction for not taking part according to Cleverly.
He doesn't know because it's just been a panicked unthoughtout announcement on which they give precisely the wrong amount of detail.
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #220 on: May 26, 2024, 11:25:27 AM »
Presumably it is an idea (and that is all it seems to be) that they think will appeal to voters of a certain age and whose social outlook remains grounded in the 1950's - it just makes the Tories look increasingly hapless, and you'd have thought that one of their advisors would have stopped this from being announced until it had been thought through - even just a little.

They must surely be running out of feet to shoot themselves in.

 

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #221 on: May 26, 2024, 12:15:01 PM »
Presumably it is an idea (and that is all it seems to be) that they think will appeal to voters of a certain age and whose social outlook remains grounded in the 1950's - it just makes the Tories look increasingly hapless, and you'd have thought that one of their advisors would have stopped this from being announced until it had been thought through - even just a little.

They must surely be running out of feet to shoot themselves in.
There's a germ of a good idea if you do the work and tie it in with more support, and rejigged idea of apprenticeship, and looking at universities and how we use them. But that's a lot of work, a complex idea, and hard to soundbite as opposed to this which is only a soundbite, no idea, and no work.

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #222 on: May 26, 2024, 02:00:33 PM »
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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #223 on: May 27, 2024, 05:46:25 PM »
MP 'suspended after endorsing Reform UK candidate' - so much unity at the Tory Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kkzv12wndo

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Re: UK election 2024
« Reply #224 on: May 28, 2024, 09:33:52 AM »
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Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.