Mind and Consciousness

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

You were the one talking about a 'creator god'. That's a personal god. I've been saying that isn't what he says. You now seem to be agreeing with my point.

I still don't see why a creator god is thereby a "personal" god - what if all he'd created was rocks for example? – but there's no point in continuing a "you said, I said" exchange about a talk we agree to be nonsense in any case.   

[Sriram]

Typical of course....but its a pity you are unable to see the wisdom in both the videos....!

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sriram,

Typical of course....but its a pity you are unable to see the wisdom in both the videos....!

What wisdom do you think the videos contain, and - more importantly - why?   

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

I still don't see why a creator god is thereby a "personal" god - what if all he'd created was rocks for example? – but there's no point in continuing a "you said, I said" exchange about a talk we agree to be nonsense in any case.

I think understanding terms is useful. A personal god is not 'personal' because it creates persons but because it is thought of/portrayed as a person.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

I think understanding terms is useful. A personal god is not 'personal' because it creates persons but because it is thought of/portrayed as a person.

So do I, but you said “Creator makes it personal…” and “You were the one talking about a 'creator god'. That's a personal god.” No doubt some who believe there to be a creator god also think of it as a personal god, but many others don’t. The most you could say therefore is something like, “some who believe in a creator god also personify it, so for those people a creator god is therefore a personal god” but that’s all. In short, I think you overreached here.     

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

So do I, but you said “Creator makes it personal…” and “You were the one talking about a 'creator god'. That's a personal god.” No doubt some who believe there to be a creator god also think of it as a personal god, but many others don’t. The most you could say therefore is something like, “some who believe in a creator god also personify it, so for those people a creator god is therefore a personal god” but that’s all. In short, I think you overreached here.     

That's bollocks. When you were talking of a creator god, you were talking of the concept of a personal entity delibereately creating. You don't have to believe in a concept to be using it in those terms.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

That's bollocks. When you were talking of a creator god, you were talking of the concept of a personal entity delibereately creating. You don't have to believe in a concept to be using it in those terms.

Thank you for telling me what it was that I was really talking about. And there was me thinking that by “creator god” I was actually referring to a god some personify and some don’t. Do you intend to provide this service of explaining what I really meant on a continuing basis or was that a one-off clarification?   

Here’s Wiki on deism by the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

[Sriram]

About Jesus....(less than 2 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UQm4uF3OW8

[Nearly Sane]

About Jesus....(less than 2 minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UQm4uF3OW8

Has nothing to do with the thread.

[Sriram]

Yeah...ok. I'll post it on the Christian board. Thanks.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

https://theconversation.com/the-mystery-of-consciousness-shows-there-may-be-a-limit-to-what-science-alone-can-achieve-225034

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

https://theconversation.com/the-mystery-of-consciousness-shows-there-may-be-a-limit-to-what-science-alone-can-achieve-225034

What point do you think you're making?