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Nearly Sane

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The decline from 2010 is vertiginous


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68669866

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2024, 09:40:59 AM »
After 14 Troy years, this should not be a surprise.
I once tried using "chicken" as a password, but was told it must contain a capital so I tried "chickenkiev"
On another occasion, I tried "beefstew", but was told it wasn't stroganoff.

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2024, 10:34:13 AM »
After 14 Troy years, this should not be a surprise.
In those 14 years what would Labour have done that would have been substantially different?

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2024, 11:38:14 AM »
In those 14 years what would Labour have done that would have been substantially different?
Spent more money on the NHS and the welfare state.
I once tried using "chicken" as a password, but was told it must contain a capital so I tried "chickenkiev"
On another occasion, I tried "beefstew", but was told it wasn't stroganoff.

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2024, 11:51:10 AM »
Spent more money on the NHS and the welfare state.
What money? Where would they have taken it from?

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2024, 12:05:26 PM »

The Labour Party would have taken a different economic line to the Conservatives, they almost certainly would not have subscribed to "austerity".

The other thing they definitely would not have done was to have held a referendum on Brexit. The outcome of that decision, of course, knocked 2-3% at the lower end of estimates and 6% top end off GDP.

Quite a lot of money to direct to whichever area of spending a party might want to focus on.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2024, 12:42:16 PM »
The Labour Party would have taken a different economic line to the Conservatives, they almost certainly would not have subscribed to "austerity".

The other thing they definitely would not have done was to have held a referendum on Brexit. The outcome of that decision, of course, knocked 2-3% at the lower end of estimates and 6% top end off GDP.

Quite a lot of money to direct to whichever area of spending a party might want to focus on.
So in the absence of any more money pre Brexit, you are suggesting the Labour Party would have borrowed significantly more? And the effect of this on GDP is an unknown so while I agree we might have avoided Brexit, we can't say what money the Labour Party would have had to spend.


GDP with comparable European countries since Brexit doesn't seem to have diverged as much as those Brexit estimates would indicate.

I think the Labour Govts of 1997 - 2010 did a great job on increasing budgets in the NHS, and that commitment as well ad the money itself helped improve satisfaction levels.

Whether they called it austerity or not post 2010, the money wasn't there so my suspicion is that their spending would have been closer to 1997 - 2000 rather than 2000 - 2010.

Given the current historically high rates of tax, and the overall approach on spending outlined by Labour, I don't see there being a significantly different increase in health spending for the majority of the the next parliament.

I think that govts have far less control of the economy than they like to say, well at least when it's going well. I'd hope that in an alternative history scenario the figures under a Labour govt for satisfaction would be better but I'm sceptical that the entirety of the huge drop is just about spending.




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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2024, 01:52:31 PM »
A random thought on NHS spending (and it applies to other areas too, notably Education). How are PFI/PPP payments/repayments treated? Part of spend, or is it still 'off budget'? 

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2024, 10:04:17 PM »
Since I first put up the link in the OP, a graph has been added covering the satisfaction levels over time. It's a great advert for the Labour Party, and it's even OK for a number of the years of Tory govt but then we hit recent times.

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Re: Public satisfaction with NHS at lowest ever level, survey shows
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2024, 10:27:42 PM »
My doubt about the Labour Party not doing substantially better was, I think, too much based around thinking that the overall spend on the NHS would not have hugely higher. But I think I was missing that the continual doing down of the service over years by the Tories  e.g. the fatuous idea about weekends not really being worked, has achieved the idea that they don't care. I think the truth is a bit more nuanced than that but it doesn't really matter, they are reaping what they sow.

That the drop is concentrated in recent years, is also to do with Covid, and that the Tories created through their business dealings then a stink of corruption, while fannying about on their own internal problems.


So, overall, I think SteveH is right. It's 14 years of Tory govt.