Author Topic: Police launch investigation into Labour Deputy Leader Angela Rayner  (Read 429 times)

Nearly Sane

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I struggle to care much about this which in the scale of scandals is even at its worst not exactly a hanging offence, but I don't see why Labour have handled it without going for full transparency as soon as it was raised, as it just allows it to run, and looks dodgy even if it's not.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-launch-investigation-into-labour-deputy-leader-angela-rayner-13113397

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Re: Police launch investigation into Labour Deputy Leader Angela Rayner
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2024, 10:02:06 AM »
As I responded on the US presidential thread, it is astonishing how quick people are to jump to one of two conclusions at the polarised end of things.

Several possibilities present themselves to me as responsible for the alleged predicament.

The two obvious ones are the positions that most people have taken. She is guilty or she is innocent.

There are others though. The advice she received on her financial affairs was at fault. She, herself did not understand the law as related to the matters - which I know still makes her guilty but not in any intentional way.

Then in my more speculative mode, the Labour Party are so sure of the position that they are encouraging the ongoing furore as a way of eventually embarrassing the shit out of the Daily Mail.

This is likely to fail as the Mail is incapable of feeling any sort of embarrassment and its readers will think she is guilty regardless of any actual facts.

I've seen wilder theories that because Andy Burnham is in some way in charge of the police authority he will make sure Rayner is proven innocent. That is, of course, tin foil hat territory. It is however, indicative of how public discourse has become coarsened and frankly delusional in the last decade, due in no small part to X.

The thing that is really annoying is the sense that we have lost any sense of fairness.

Guilty until proven innocent is a very unfortunate inversion of a perfectly solid and sensible place to be.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: Police launch investigation into Labour Deputy Leader Angela Rayner
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2024, 10:20:41 AM »
If we were to take Beergate as an example, even if the police conclude that there isn't a case, it won't restore reputation with all so confidence would seem a misjudged position even if there is no wrongdoing.

While it makes no difference to whether there is anything to the case, it's difficult not to see some minor responsibility for this in Labour, and Rayner's hands, in that were this to be Oliver Dowden, I doubt the behaviour from Labour would be any different to the Tories.

I suspect that for any one not completely partisan on this that the case seems small beer, as indeed did Beergate, and possibly involving a more technical breach than any huge evil conspiracy, but again it's hard to think Labour would have taken that approach in any theoretical Tory story.

As already mentioned, the lack of immediate transparency will not help in recovering reputation.
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Re: Police launch investigation into Labour Deputy Leader Angela Rayner
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2024, 10:28:45 AM »
I agree that transparency is the issue.

I have no idea if she is guilty or not, but earlier disclosure of the facts would have been less painful and damaging than this drawn-out farrago.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: Police launch investigation into Labour Deputy Leader Angela Rayner
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2024, 10:46:02 AM »
I agree that transparency is the issue.

I have no idea if she is guilty or not, but earlier disclosure of the facts would have been less painful and damaging than this drawn-out farrago.
I'm not even sure I care if she is guilty because it doesn't seem like it's got any real gain to it so I doubt the intent but it does feel as if the lack of transparency is double standards

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Re: Police launch investigation into Labour Deputy Leader Angela Rayner
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2024, 06:15:20 AM »
The Tories' dogged pursuit of AR over what is, even if she's guilty, which I don't believe, pretty small beer is beginning to look like bullying, and could rebound on them electorally.
When conspiracy nuts start spouting their bollocks, the best answer is "That's what they want you to think".

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Re: Police launch investigation into Labour Deputy Leader Angela Rayner
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2024, 06:58:28 AM »
The Tories' dogged pursuit of AR over what is, even if she's guilty, which I don't believe, pretty small beer is beginning to look like bullying, and could rebound on them electorally.
It's not getting enough traction to do that.MAybe if Rayner and Labour had immediately been fully transparent but I suspect most people will think there's an issue but as you do that it's not serious and 'after all, they all do it'.


I doubt that the Tories have much they could do that will rebound on them electorally.

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Police drop the investigation.