Doctor Who

[Nearly Sane]

That's ridiculous. Where has he said that?

Edit: I see on Doctor Who unleashed Davies says he won't be explaining what was said and why people ran away.

He could be 'misdirecting' but I fear not. A lot of the unexplained stuff I can live with but this ruins the idea of Ruby's family, and UNIT as set up so far.
 

[SteveH]

He could be 'misdirecting' but I fear not. A lot of the unexplained stuff I can live with but this ruins the idea of Ruby's family, and UNIT as set up so far.

Bear in mind that it's in an alternative timeline, which is wiped out at the end, when Ruby returns to her 18-year-old self on the clifftop, and the Doctor reappears.

[Nearly Sane]

Bear in mind that it's in an alternative timeline, which is wiped out at the end, when Ruby returns to her 18-year-old self on the clifftop, and the Doctor reappears.

And? Still makes it a useless piece of story telling that makes her mother and UNIT look bad and undermines their general portrayal. Not to mention that it is bootstrap paradox that again is crap storytelling.

[Aruntraveller]

I caught up with this (73 yards) last night.

I enjoyed it notwithstanding the incomprehensible ending, even as a bootstrap paradox it felt incredibly clumsy to me at the finish.

Even Star Trek managed these paradoxes with considerably more elan and (a sort of) internal consistency across the many iterations of the franchise.

Up to the last 5 minutes, I was sold on it being a great episode - as it is I still enjoyed it - but only 7/10.

RTD's refusal to say what was said suggests that he is being lazy and hasn't thought it through. I may be wrong and he may yet have a reveal, but it doesn't sound like it.

[Nearly Sane]

I caught up with this (73 yards) last night.

I enjoyed it notwithstanding the incomprehensible ending, even as a bootstrap paradox it felt incredibly clumsy to me at the finish.

Even Star Trek managed these paradoxes with considerably more elan and (a sort of) internal consistency across the many iterations of the franchise.

Up to the last 5 minutes, I was sold on it being a great episode - as it is I still enjoyed it - but only 7/10.

RTD's refusal to say what was said suggests that he is being lazy and hasn't thought it through. I may be wrong and he may yet have a reveal, but it doesn't sound like it.

Thought this was interesting on bootstrap paradoxes on Doctor Who

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Bootstrap_paradox

[SteveH]

Just watched Dot and Bubble. Thought it was pretty good, with some real monsters at last, though I'm sure NS will enlighten us as too why it was really rubbish.

[Aruntraveller]

I have just watched Dot & Bubble too. I thought it was good, and I didn't see the twist coming at the end.  I wasn't so keen on the Doctors overreaction to the twist though.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

That's ridiculous. Where has he said that?

Edit: I see on Doctor Who unleashed Davies says he won't be explaining what was said and why people ran away.

I think she told them Doctor Who would be produced until at least 2050.

Ap Williams intends to use nuclear weapons to put the world out of that misery.

[SteveH]

I think she told them Doctor Who would be produced until at least 2050.

Ap Williams intends to use nuclear weapons to put the world out of that misery.

If you don't like 'Dr Who', why do you post on this thread?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If you don't like 'Dr Who', why do you post on this thread?

I do like it, but that doesn't mean that some of it hasn't  or isn't crap.

Old Doctor Who went on too long in my view and though my jury is still out on JNT and Douglas Adams' involvement.  Not only then do I watch what they are calling the Disney Doctor Who but I am enjoying the Hartnell reruns. I saw many of the Troughton episodes and Pertwees so will skip on to the many Baker, Baker, Davison and McCoy episodes I never bothered with.

Can recommend the Nick Scovell Doctor Who on YouTube.

American programmes, I think never do more than a few seasons anyway.

[Nearly Sane]

I have just watched Dot & Bubble too. I thought it was good, and I didn't see the twist coming at the end.  I wasn't so keen on the Doctors overreaction to the twist though.

Liked it up till the end as well, though again that was a mess in so many ways. How did the others get out? How did they bring stuff, or know how to operate a boat? Why did they just allow the Doctor to talk to them at all irl? Obviously just to do the twist but again lazy writing. Good idea, generally well done, let down by shoehorning in point.

Nice to see an old fashioned crap monster, and no fantasy.

[Aruntraveller]

To clarify my comment - the Doctors' response didn't seem in keeping with a character that has been around for how long and seen so much? I'd have thought a saddened resignation would have been more appropriate, but top marks to Gatwa for pulling off what was (presumably) required of him by the director and/or writer.

The other thing annoying me was that the mother planet was completely wiped out. Why didn't the Dr try to sort that?

[Nearly Sane]

To clarify my comment - the Doctors' response didn't seem in keeping with a character that has been around for how long and seen so much? I'd have thought a saddened resignation would have been more appropriate, but top marks to Gatwa for pulling off what was (presumably) required of him by the director and/or writer.

The other thing annoying me was that the mother planet was completely wiped out. Why didn't the Dr try to sort that?

Agree he acted it fine but it's what the writing is asking for. The biregeneration was to help the Doctor as in Tennant and others 'move on' from their trauma but more importantly for RTD it was to allow him to write the Doctor as a young, sexualised  man who isn't alien.

[SteveH]

Digital Spy on Dot and Bubble.
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a60958562/doctor-who-dot-and-bubble-problem/

[SteveH]

Just watched 'Rogue'. Not bad, though I don't think a black man would have been accepted into polite society in 1813, when slave-owning was still legal in the British Empire.
Did I imagine it, or did I read somewhere that RTD has decided to scrap all the traditional baddies such a Daleks and Cybermen, and start again with a new set?

[Nearly Sane]

Just watched 'Rogue'. Not bad, though I don't think a black man would have been accepted into polite society in 1813, when slave-owning was still legal in the British Empire.
Did I imagine it, or did I read somewhere that RTD has decided to scrap all the traditional baddies such a Daleks and Cybermen, and start again with a new set?

He's giving them a rest, which I think makes sense. If the UNIT spinoff is happening it's due to involve the sea Devil's.

I think the Bridgerton idea and that we're in more of a fantasy world allows the acceptance of the Doctor here.

[Nearly Sane]

Leaving aside the sexualisation of the Doctor which is a long running bugbear that was probably the best of the series. Bit underdeveloped in terms of plot but not the gaping plotholes in some of the others, and not Space Babies.

[Nearly Sane]

Leaving aside the sexualisation of the Doctor which is a long running bugbear that was probably the best of the series. Bit underdeveloped in terms of plot but not the gaping plotholes in some of the others, and not Space Babies.

And yet, after a good night's sleep, if I wasn't doing reviews for YouTube podcast for the next couple of episodes, I think that would have been my last New Who watch, the Doctor as lovesick teenager is just so Bridgerton

[Nearly Sane]

Bout of insomnia so watched Legend Of Ruby Sunday. Susan Twist and the ineffable Gabriel Woolf do a great job but that was fucking awful.

[SteveH]

Well, I quite liked it, and look forward to next week's continuation, but where the hell is Shirley Bingham?

[Nearly Sane]

Well, I quite liked it, and look forward to next week's continuation, but where the hell is Shirley Bingham?

If you cast as tokenism then story doesn't matter?

[Maeght]

If you cast as tokenism then story doesn't matter?

Glossy look but a lot of time spent on building the tension. Thought it was the best of the series but didn't really see anything of the Doctor doing what the Doctor usually does.

[Nearly Sane]

Glossy look but a lot of time spent on building the tension. Thought it was the best of the series but didn't really see anything of the Doctor doing what the Doctor usually does.

The acting, writing for the first half hour was unwatchable.

[Maeght]

The acting, writing for the first half hour was unwatchable.

I thought it started ok but then the middle seemed like a lot of filler until the climax. Some of the acting was OTT. Really don't see Ncuti as the Doctor - or the way he is being written rather.

[SteveH]

Puzzles:
Why does Kate give the Doctor an angry look after the death of the soldier, as they are looking at his body?

The Doctor at one point says that, though he has a granddaughter, he has no children. I suppose that is possible, given time travel, but he has got a daughter, albeit not produced in the usual way, as we discovered in 'The Doctor's Daughter', during 10's tenure.

Since when is Ruby a Mancunian? She's from London, surely.