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Nearly Sane

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Something's rotten in the State of UK
« on: May 21, 2024, 08:07:17 AM »
The release of the report into the infected blood scandal has prompted a long set of apologies from politicians, few who have any actual direct involvement, though the sluggish approach to compensation has run through the govt of Sunak, and govts he has been in. The two main parties are complicit in yet another long running scandal but the Lib Dems, the SNP, the DUP, and Sinn Fein through having been in govt administrations all have involvements in this and other failures.

Chris Mason, the BBC journalist, has written a piece here which covers some of the other failures, the Post Office scandal, Hillsborough, Bloody Sunday, and has a sort of conclusion that it's the Civil Service's fault, though I think that Andy Burnham's Pilate impersonation in it needs more challenging.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1997z82gdro

I've pretty much always been a cynic about govts, though I tend much more to thr cock up theory than Conspiracy. Conspiracies seem to me to so often originate as is covered in Mason's article as reactions to cover ups. There doesn't seem any grand plan of the World Economic Forum that is behind shite like this, nor is it because of a huge plan of embezzlement. It's simply cowardice and sloth.

The incredibly slow process even once inquiries are set up just add to the urgency of something needing to be done, whether that is a mandatory whistleblowing duty, as suggested by Brian Langstaff, the author of the infected blood report  I don't know.

In the glacial movements, in this the Cass Report on the treatment of gender dysphoria in children, while still taking inquiry time, seems like lightning. It's significant because there are similarities in the attempts to cover up actions in the refusal of many clinics to provide information but also in that, it underlines that the initial failures may well arise about people acting with the best intentions, and therefore thinking that cutting corners would avoid a scandal of not treating children properly but ending up failing them. In that case the continued cheerleading by the Scottish Greens for medical experimenting on children stands out egregiously as emphasising that such failings are not just in the Civil Services in the UK.


All of this will no doubt be used by those who tout the WEF conspiracies to foment anger but it's hard to avoid anger just now. Why believe in vaccination programmes when the 'slStats' has been covering up giving people blood that killed them for 40 years?

Part of me hears the atavistic call to the barricades but in such revolutions the impossible purity demands are bound to failures worse than this. I can only hope that those politicians who felt they needed to apologise yesterday did so not just because of political necessity but also a personal need to do better.





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Re: Something's rotten in the State of UK
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2024, 10:13:20 AM »
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I can only hope that those politicians who felt they needed to apologise yesterday did so not just because of political necessity but also a personal need to do better.


Did Sunak sound sincere?

How can I even tell when my perception is coloured by all the lies told over and over and over again by him?

I doubt that my respect for politicians, as a group, will ever be restored in what is left of my life.

The key takeaway from your analysis and one that I pretty much agree on is: It's simply cowardice and sloth.


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Re: Something's rotten in the State of UK
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2024, 10:30:36 AM »
Did Sunak sound sincere?

How can I even tell when my perception is coloured by all the lies told over and over and over again by him?

I doubt that my respect for politicians, as a group, will ever be restored in what is left of my life.

The key takeaway from your analysis and one that I pretty much agree on is: It's simply cowardice and sloth.

He can be sincere about this quite easily. It didn't happen on his watch. None of the current scandals in the news happened on his watch. The scandals where you have to worry about his sincerity will be being reported in five or ten years.
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Re: Something's rotten in the State of UK
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2024, 10:34:09 AM »
He can be sincere about this quite easily. It didn't happen on his watch. None of the current scandals in the news happened on his watch. The scandals where you have to worry about his sincerity will be being reported in five or ten years.
The report criticises his govt and govt he has been in for their approach to compensation and he notably didn't9 apologise for that.

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Re: Something's rotten in the State of UK
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2024, 11:07:37 AM »
Did Sunak sound sincere?

How can I even tell when my perception is coloured by all the lies told over and over and over again by him?

I doubt that my respect for politicians, as a group, will ever be restored in what is left of my life.

The key takeaway from your analysis and one that I pretty much agree on is: It's simply cowardice and sloth.
There was a BBC reporter today saying that it was unusual to see a PM apologising not for what they had done but for the British State. I found this odd since it seems like the exact opposite, see Blair apologising for the Irish Famine, or Cameron for Bloody Sunday.

As covered in my reply to jeremyp, he didn't apologise directly for the inaction of his govt, and govts he was in, so I find that makes me doubt his sincerity, not that I had huge belief in it anyway.
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