Who shot the former US president?

[Spud]

Link doesn't work.

There is no hole. Don't know it was a bullet.

You can watch itat 45 seconds in in the link below, and see it travel from the podium to just above the wire behind him in 10 frames.
https://youtu.be/P3N6CV2owsY?si=8OUWcNtiVC_BDz7G

[Maeght]

You can watch itat 45 seconds in in the link below, and see it travel from the podium to just above the wire behind him in 10 frames.
https://youtu.be/P3N6CV2owsY?si=8OUWcNtiVC_BDz7G

Thanks. So it came from the front? On a rising trajectory? Whatever it is.

[Spud]

Thanks. So it came from the front? On a rising trajectory? Whatever it is.

Indeed, it's very small and moves fast enough to be invisible. If it is easier with this projectile to measure it's approximate distance travelled per frame, and if we know the frame rate, we could calculate it's speed more accurately.
In the meantime, this needs explaining: when the first loud shot is heard, the man in white on the back row of the bleacher to Trump's rear-left falls down. I think he is one of the two critically injured. How can the bullet that hit Trump have also hit the man in white?
In the audio, three sounds are heard when played at 1/10th speed, suggesting two simultaneous shots are fired.

[jeremyp]

I can't get my head around whether there's a difference between frame rate when recording and when playing it back.

To record at 8,000 frames per second, you need highly specialised equipment. Believe me, no phone can record at that rate. for a start, your shutter speed equivalent needs to be at least as fast as 1/8000.

But I think there's a problem with your method of working out the speed by guessing the size of the object. It's pretty obviously a bullet, yet 15 m/s is slow enough to follow something with the eyes and this is impossible with the object. Perhaps this problem relates to downsampling, perhaps not.

It's pretty obviously not a bullet because, if it were, it would be travelling at only around 15 m/s.

Edit: my money is on an insect.

[Spud]

To record at 8,000 frames per second, you need highly specialised equipment. Believe me, no phone can record at that rate. for a start, your shutter speed equivalent needs to be at least as fast as 1/8000.

Yep, I read that the fastest a smart phone can capture is 240 frames per second.

These two pictures are of the third window from the right, to the right of the four chimneys, a few seconds after that projectile flies by. The first is at 4:49 (here), the second at 4:55. Does this prove that someone was in this building and opened this window, seconds before the loud shots?

[jeremyp]

Yep, I read that the fastest a smart phone can capture is 240 frames per second.

These two pictures are of the third window from the right, to the right of the four chimneys, a few seconds after that projectile flies by. The first is at 4:49 (here), the second at 4:55. Does this prove that someone was in this building and opened this window, seconds before the loud shots?

No idea. Not sure what those blurry images are supposed to be.

[Maeght]

Indeed, it's very small and moves fast enough to be invisible. If it is easier with this projectile to measure it's approximate distance travelled per frame, and if we know the frame rate, we could calculate it's speed more accurately.
In the meantime, this needs explaining: when the first loud shot is heard, the man in white on the back row of the bleacher to Trump's rear-left falls down. I think he is one of the two critically injured. How can the bullet that hit Trump have also hit the man in white?
In the audio, three sounds are heard when played at 1/10th speed, suggesting two simultaneous shots are fired.

Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7PdhHC2zr0

You think he is one of the victims? Best be sure before trying to base any conspiracy theory.

[Maeght]

Yep, I read that the fastest a smart phone can capture is 240 frames per second.

These two pictures are of the third window from the right, to the right of the four chimneys, a few seconds after that projectile flies by. The first is at 4:49 (here), the second at 4:55. Does this prove that someone was in this building and opened this window, seconds before the loud shots?

Some blurry images prove nothing.

[Spud]

Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7PdhHC2zr0

You think he is one of the victims? Best be sure before trying to base any conspiracy theory.

Ok, agreed, he is not one of the victims, but he does fall, and the other people on the back row all flinch at the same time (do the people further forward flinch?)
Also when the bullet hits the railing, the puff of smoke goes out sideways.
https://x.com/I_Am_JohnCullen/status/1824075140331639122
shows it in slow motion.

Ps the guy in your link has done a good video recently in which he looks at footage from the bodycam of one of the police.

[Maeght]

Ok, agreed, he is not one of the victims, but he does fall, and the other people on the back row all flinch at the same time (do the people further forward flinch?)
Also when the bullet hits the railing, the puff of smoke goes out sideways.
https://x.com/I_Am_JohnCullen/status/1824075140331639122
shows it in slow motion.

Ps the guy in your link has done a good video recently in which he looks at footage from the bodycam of one of the police.

Flinch, yes. People all around the area flinched and ducked. The person you mentioned ducked and possibly fell or possibly hit the ground.

I've seen footage of the dust or whatever from the railing. So what it went sideways? I don't find John Cullen convincing. He did an interview with someone on Youtube showing clips of lots of people on the back row of the bleacher where the person was hit suggesting they all showed signs of being hit/clipped - indicating the shot travelled along the back row of the bleacher. He gave no evidence that they were hit and didn't seem to consider that they were reacting to the sound of the shot(s) instead.

Yes, have seen the bodycam video.

His recent ones on the story of the ladders and the clips of Crooks running on the roof are excellent. Includes some footage of the water tower around the time of the shooting and also shows Police cars parked up in that area. No shooter to be seen there.

[Spud]

Flinch, yes. People all around the area flinched and ducked. The person you mentioned ducked and possibly fell or possibly hit the ground.

I've seen footage of the dust or whatever from the railing. So what it went sideways? I don't find John Cullen convincing. He did an interview with someone on Youtube showing clips of lots of people on the back row of the bleacher where the person was hit suggesting they all showed signs of being hit/clipped - indicating the shot travelled along the back row of the bleacher. He gave no evidence that they were hit and didn't seem to consider that they were reacting to the sound of the shot(s) instead.

Yes, have seen the bodycam video.

His recent ones on the story of the ladders and the clips of Crooks running on the roof are excellent. Includes some footage of the water tower around the time of the shooting and also shows Police cars parked up in that area. No shooter to be seen there.

He also said the snipers were taking fire, which has been claimed by someone as 'direct from the source'. A little further on from 15:30 in the video you linked, you can see that the sniper ducks just before the first shot rings out (edit: this might be just after the first shot). A few seconds later he and his mate re-align their rifles towards the trees, and this was also mentioned by one lady commentator in some other footage.
So Cullen does have a point about a possible shot fired from the trees.

I don't see any evidence of someone on the water tower either.

One eye witness, who mentions the water tower, also said someone she spoke to had been sent photos of two dead people - not Crooks - on his phone.

So there's other information that needs explaining, whether it indicates only one or more than one shooter.
Yes the footage of Crooks running on the roof certainly shows how it would have been difficult to stop him. Would be interesting to know why they didn't shoot him before he fired.

The photos of the window are significant, if you understand that they show the same window which was directly in line with Trump and Crooks, and noting the time at which it suddenly looked different, seconds before the shots rang out.

[Maeght]

He also said the snipers were taking fire, which has been claimed by someone as 'direct from the source'. A little further on from 15:30 in the video you linked, you can see that the sniper ducks just before the first shot rings out. A few seconds later he and his mate re-align their rifles towards the trees, and this was also mentioned by one lady commentator in some other footage.
So Cullen does have a point about a possible shot fired from the trees.

I don't see any evidence of someone on the water tower either.

One eye witness, who mentions the water tower, also said someone she spoke to had been sent photos of two dead people - not Crooks - on his phone.

So there's other information that needs explaining, whether it indicates only one or more than one shooter.
Yes the footage of Crooks running on the roof certainly shows how it would have been difficult to stop him. Would be interesting to know why they didn't shoot him before he fired.

The photos of the window are significant, if you understand that they show the same window which was directly in line with Trump and Crooks, and noting the time at which it suddenly looked different, seconds before the shots rang out.

Have seen him argue about the snipers taking shots and am not convinced. They move, they react. No evidence of shots aimed at them. Someone claimed it came direct from the source but any reason to believe that 'someone'?

Someone sent photos - by someone. Lots of someones and unsupported claims here, as ever with conspiracy theories.

The snipers who shot Crooks were facing the other way when he fired, and the ones facing the right way couldn't see him because of the trees. Who were you thinking would shoot him?

Blurry images of windows that look 'different' - great evidence.

People, including you it seems, are trying too hard to find things to question in my view.

[Spud]

Have seen him argue about the snipers taking shots and am not convinced. They move, they react. No evidence of shots aimed at them. Someone claimed it came direct from the source but any reason to believe that 'someone'?

Someone sent photos - by someone. Lots of someones and unsupported claims here, as ever with conspiracy theories.

The snipers who shot Crooks were facing the other way when he fired, and the ones facing the right way couldn't see him because of the trees. Who were you thinking would shoot him?

Blurry images of windows that look 'different' - great evidence.

People, including you it seems, are trying too hard to find things to question in my view.

The sound on one video of the snipers seems to be slightly behind the picture, giving the impression that one of them ducked before the shots started. In the other video, which seems to be better quality, he clearly ducks in reaction to the first shot.

The flashes in the window near to the vent stacks, which Cullen thought were muzzle flashes, are almost certainly reflections of headlights from a vehicle. You can see similar flashes in the other windows and at one point there are two of them side by side, looking like headlights.

Also, it looks as if the big crane might have been blocking the view of Trump from that window. Any bullets may also have to have gone through the wire fence.

I'm still curious as to why the window suddenly looked different just before the shots started, and also why Crooks' body was lying some way from the ridge of the roof. But I'm now much more inclined to believe the shooter was Crooks and only him.

[Maeght]

The sound on one video of the snipers seems to be slightly behind the picture, giving the impression that one of them ducked before the shots started. In the other video, which seems to be better quality, he clearly ducks in reaction to the first shot.

The flashes in the window near to the vent stacks, which Cullen thought were muzzle flashes, are almost certainly reflections of headlights from a vehicle. You can see similar flashes in the other windows and at one point there are two of them side by side, looking like headlights.

Also, it looks as if the big crane might have been blocking the view of Trump from that window. Any bullets may also have to have gone through the wire fence.

I'm still curious as to why the window suddenly looked different just before the shots started, and also why Crooks' body was lying some way from the ridge of the roof. But I'm now much more inclined to believe the shooter was Crooks and only him.

I think that is the most likely explanation by far and glad you aren't going down the rabbit hole.

[Maeght]

Latest Youtube video from jeffostrof has some interesting stuff, looking at an initial congressional report. The report says that Crooks was hit twice, once by a local SWAT officer then by one of the southern sniper team. Mentions the claims about the windows. Also highlights that the USSC didn't collect the radios which would have meant that they would have heard the Police Officers saying there was someone on the roof. Also criticism of the FBI releasing the crime scene after 3 days and washing away potential forensic evidence. And more ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af_K1oGfljM

[Spud]

The report says that Crooks was hit twice, once by a local SWAT officer

And video evidence of this in his latest video.

[jeremyp]

Also criticism of the FBI releasing the crime scene after 3 days and washing away potential forensic evidence. And more ....

Why? The perpetrator is dead. It's not like there's going to be a trial.

[Maeght]

Why? The perpetrator is dead. It's not like there's going to be a trial.

Don't know. This was in the report but the creator of the Youtube channel also questions why this is a problem and if it is unusual. All to do with the conspiracy theories swirling around the event I guess. Presumably the report author thought there were questions to be answered.

[Spud]

More projectiles seen flying near Trump before and after the shooting:
https://x.com/50kft_News/status/1820522806351892621

[Maeght]

More projectiles seen flying near Trump before and after the shooting:
https://x.com/50kft_News/status/1820522806351892621

Lots of bad shots there that day. Where did these "projectiles" end up?

[Spud]

Lots of bad shots there that day. Where did these "projectiles" end up?

These were subsonic suppressed shots, though.
Interestingly, the same swat officer who fired the ninth shot also fired the tenth that killed Crooks. It's caught on the bodycam of the officer who ran towards the action from a building due South of the area behind Trump. The Swat officer fired the last shot, not a secret service sniper. He is seen to take aim, then raise his arm after firing.

[Maeght]

These were subsonic suppressed shots, though.
Interestingly, the same swat officer who fired the ninth shot also fired the tenth that killed Crooks. It's caught on the bodycam of the officer who ran towards the action from a building due South of the area behind Trump. The Swat officer fired the last shot, not a secret service sniper. He is seen to take aim, then raise his arm after firing.

Nope, not according to the initial report. The SWAT guy was looking through his scope but didn't fire the last shot, the snipper did. He raised his arm to celebrate the hit that he saw through his scope. Why do you say it was the SWAT guy?

What subsonic suppressed shots are you referring to?

[Spud]

Nope, not according to the initial report. The SWAT guy was looking through his scope but didn't fire the last shot, the snipper did. He raised his arm to celebrate the hit that he saw through his scope.

That definitely makes sense, yes.

[Spud]

What subsonic suppressed shots are you referring to?

The projectiles in message 68, as well as the one that passed Trump's right arm, and the one in Dave Stewart's vid.

[Maeght]

The projectiles in message 68, as well as the one that passed Trump's right arm, and the one in Dave Stewart's vid.

Not identified as subsonic projectiles.