Who shot the former US president?

[Spud]

Not identified as subsonic projectiles.

Drones, apparently!
https://youtu.be/AYuTVJgx0Qw?si=eRTUGf4fXE4UkM7X

[Maeght]

Drones, apparently!
https://youtu.be/AYuTVJgx0Qw?si=eRTUGf4fXE4UkM7X

Bonkers.

[ekim]

Bonkers.

I've never seen a bonker but I have seen flies, wasps and mosquitos.

[Spud]

Bonkers.

Oh, I thought that video was very convincing, in showing that they are drones, I mean. Do you still think they are insects?

[Maeght]

Oh, I thought that video was very convincing, in showing that they are drones, I mean. Do you still think they are insects?

Most likely, yes.

[Spud]

I've seen footage of the dust or whatever from the railing. So what it went sideways? I don't find John Cullen convincing. He did an interview with someone on Youtube showing clips of lots of people on the back row of the bleacher where the person was hit suggesting they all showed signs of being hit/clipped - indicating the shot travelled along the back row of the bleacher. He gave no evidence that they were hit and didn't seem to consider that they were reacting to the sound of the shot(s) instead.

He's still investigating the puff of smoke that went sideways when the railing was hit. If the bullet was coming from Crooks' direction the puff wouldn't have gone sideways. He is now saying the line joining Crooks to Trump's ear doesn't pass through the point on the railing that was hit when you hear the first shot. A bit weird.

[Maeght]

He's still investigating the puff of smoke that went sideways when the railing was hit. If the bullet was coming from Crooks' direction the puff wouldn't have gone sideways. He is now saying the line joining Crooks to Trump's ear doesn't pass through the point on the railing that was hit when you hear the first shot. A bit weird.

Why wouldn't it go sideways?

[Nearly Sane]

Why wouldn't it go sideways?

Nothing goes sideways in such a cunning plan

[jeremyp]

Why wouldn't it go sideways?

Because there’s no such thing as wind.

[Maeght]

No wind, no flying insects, no human error. A strange world some people inhabit.

[Spud]

No wind, no flying insects, no human error. A strange world some people inhabit.

The wind was blowing the other way, if I'm not mistaken.
There is another video showing the bullet hitting the railing, but from a slightly different angle. It could be interpreted as showing that the puff goes backwards rather than sideways.
However, it does look from the original video as though the bullet hits the back railing (not the side one) at a spot which looks as though it is behind the man standing at the top back corner. So the bullet would have to have hit him if it was coming from Crooks.
There is a ricochet which is seen in the attached screenshot, which is followed by the puff going to the right.

[Maeght]

The wind was blowing the other way, if I'm not mistaken.
There is another video showing the bullet hitting the railing, but from a slightly different angle. It could be interpreted as showing that the puff goes backwards rather than sideways.
However, it does look from the original video as though the bullet hits the back railing (not the side one) at a spot which looks as though it is behind the man standing at the top back corner. So the bullet would have to have hit him if it was coming from Crooks.
There is a ricochet which is seen in the attached screenshot, which is followed by the puff going to the right.

It did hit him didn't it?

Have you watched this analysis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2lVIJc000&t=5s&ab_channel=AzgetIndustries

[jeremyp]

Have you watched this analysis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2lVIJc000&t=5s&ab_channel=AzgetIndustries

Well, that's the end of this thread.

[Spud]

It did hit him didn't it?

Have you watched this analysis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w2lVIJc000&t=5s&ab_channel=AzgetIndustries

It missed the person in the back corner who was holding the railing, wearing a dark short-sleeved shirt and a red cap. The two that were injuredwere near him.
Yes I've seen that before, but the placement of the people doesn't look accurate.

[Maeght]

It missed the person in the back corner who was holding the railing, wearing a dark short-sleeved shirt and a red cap. The two that were injuredwere near him.
Yes I've seen that before, but the placement of the people doesn't look accurate.

Try this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihDIQEbUAPI&ab_channel=MikeBell

[Spud]

Try this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihDIQEbUAPI&ab_channel=MikeBell

Thanks - those are both helpful videos.
But at 5:51 Bell's line connecting shooter to Trump's ear (first shot) doesn't line up with where the railing is hit. Plus he doesn't show the guy in the black shirt and red cap, who is in front of the corner of the railing (see 10:30 in Bell's video and attached screenshot below)
According to Cullen the chap shown in the screenshot who wasn't hit is evidence that the bullet that hit the railing had to come from a different trajectory. Perhaps this will be demonstrated to be wrong though.

[Gordon]

Perhaps this will be demonstrated to be wrong though.

Perhaps you should just leave it to the US authorities to investigate as they see fit and not indulge in speculation.

[Maeght]

Thanks - those are both helpful videos.
But at 5:51 Bell's line connecting shooter to Trump's ear (first shot) doesn't line up with where the railing is hit. Plus he doesn't show the guy in the black shirt and red cap, who is in front of the corner of the railing (see 10:30 in Bell's video and attached screenshot below)
According to Cullen the chap shown in the screenshot who wasn't hit is evidence that the bullet that hit the railing had to come from a different trajectory. Perhaps this will be demonstrated to be wrong though.

It just shows that there are alternative 'studies' by amateurs that disagree. None should be taken as 'the truth' and could all be wrong as you say. It is what follows from those studies which can be the problem - asserting it is obvious that there was a second gun man, a conspiracy to kill Trump, USSS involvement etc etc

[jeremyp]

the placement of the people doesn't look accurate.

How would you know?

[Spud]

How would you know?

She put one of the victims where there was someone who didn't get shot.

[jeremyp]

She put one of the victims where there was someone who didn't get shot.

That’s just restating your claim. How do you know?

[Spud]

That’s just restating your claim. How do you know?

If you look at her model, she places one of the victims in the back righthand corner of the stand. This is the position of the bloke with the black shirt and red cap. It was two others who were carried out after the shooting, one wearing a US flag and the other a white shirt, so I'm assuming the guy in the red cap wasn't injured.

[jeremyp]

If you look at her model, she places one of the victims in the back righthand corner of the stand. This is the position of the bloke with the black shirt and red cap. It was two others who were carried out after the shooting, one wearing a US flag and the other a white shirt, so I'm assuming the guy in the red cap wasn't injured.

Again you are just making assertions. How do you know you are right and she is wrong? What say you to the other video which is even more conclusive?

[Spud]

Again you are just making assertions. How do you know you are right and she is wrong? What say you to the other video which is even more conclusive?

This guy, who is on video walking around afterwards, is standing in front of where the bullet hit the railing. A small bit of blue can be seen in front of his right arm which I'm assuming is the flag David Dutch had around him.
The trajectory of the bullet strike on the railing looks as though it would have passed either through him or behind him.

[Maeght]

This guy, who is on video walking around afterwards, is standing in front of where the bullet hit the railing. A small bit of blue can be seen in front of his right arm which I'm assuming is the flag David Dutch had around him.
The trajectory of the bullet strike on the railing looks as though it would have passed either through him or behind him.

Surely not based on the image you posted above and the second analysis Youtube clip I posted.