Who shot the former US president?

[Spud]

Surely not based on the image you posted above and the second analysis Youtube clip I posted.

What I meant was that if the bullet came from Crooks and hit first Trump's ear, then the railing, it would have passed through 'Tough old bird's stomach.
Here's a screenshot that suggests that. However, the only injury he received, apparently, was cuts and burn marks on the back of his right elbow.

[Maeght]

What I meant was that if the bullet came from Crooks and hit first Trump's ear, then the railing, it would have passed through 'Tough old bird's stomach.
Here's a screenshot that suggests that. However, the only injury he received, apparently, was cuts and burn marks on the back of his right elbow.

We saw from how Trump turning his head made a difference to the effect. Small margins make quite a difference and that could equally apply here. Over analysing when so much evidence supports Crooks as being the lone gun man is a bit pointless I would say.

[jeremyp]

We saw from how Trump turning his head made a difference to the effect. Small margins make quite a difference and that could equally apply here. Over analysing when so much evidence supports Crooks as being the lone gun man is a bit pointless I would say.

Yep. As far as I can tell, we have ten shots. There's no reason to believe that any of the first eight did not come from Crooks. The last two both came from snipers. The first disabled Crooks' rifle. The second killed him.

[Spud]

We saw from how Trump turning his head made a difference to the effect. Small margins make quite a difference and that could equally apply here. Over analysing when so much evidence supports Crooks as being the lone gun man is a bit pointless I would say.

Any crime scene would be analyzed, and here the possibility of a second shooter or an accomplice ought to be seriously looked at. It does look more and more like a lone shooter but outstanding questions remain. Assuming the bullet somehow missed Tough Old Bird (see the T-shirt), why if it came from Crooks does the ricochet off the railing give the impression the bullet was travelling from left to right? Is this an optical illusion?
Did the bullet hit Trump or was he grazed by one of the bodyguards as they bundled onto him? There is no blood on his hand after he touched his ear. If it passed say a foot from him causing a thump effect, it could have then hit the railing without going through Tough Old Bird.
Just putting my thoughts down.

[Maeght]

Any crime scene would be analyzed, and here the possibility of a second shooter or a coordinator ought to be seriously looked at. It does look more and more like a lone shooter but outstanding questions remain. Assuming the bullet somehow missed Tough Old Bird (see the T-shirt), why if it came from Crooks does the ricochet off the railing give the impression the bullet was travelling from left to right? Is this an optical illusion?
Did the bullet hit Trump or was he grazed by one of the bodyguards as they bundled onto him? There is no blood on his hand after he touched his ear. If it passed say a foot from him causing a thump effect, it could have then hit the railing without going through Tough Old Bird.
Just putting my thoughts down.

I was talking about amateurs such as you and I analysing it when we don't have access to the actual crime scene and aren't experts in ballistics and the like. Of course the authorities should investigate and as far as i know they have and concluded that Crooks was a lone shooter.

Okay to put your thoughts down so long as it doesn#'t elad you down a rabbit hole as far as I'm concerned.

[jeremyp]

Any crime scene would be analyzed, and here the possibility of a second shooter or a coordinator ought to be seriously looked at.

Why? There's no evidence for anything other than a lone shooter.

It does look more and more like a lone shooter but outstanding questions remain.

It never didn't look like a lone shooter.

 

[Spud]

Why? There's no evidence for anything other than a lone shooter.It never didn't look like a lone shooter.

I can agree that the railing shot would have come from Crooks.
Looks like he had an accomplice though, watch this space.

[Maeght]

I can agree that the railing shot would have come from Crooks.
Looks like he had an accomplice though, watch this space.

What makes you say that?

[SteveH]

I shot the former US president,
But I didn't shoot no former US president's deputy...
Bob Wailey and the Marlers.

[Spud]

What makes you say that?

From above, Crooks, the podium and the impact spot on the railing at the corner of the stand line up pretty well, and the angle of travel is about 45 degrees to the line of the back railing, which could make the puff look as though it was coming straight down that line.
On the video where Jeff Ostroff discusses the bodycam of the Butler cop M500 010482, two people are visible on the roof within yards of each other. Jeff only sees the second one, but someone on X has noticed the other, who is only visible for about half a second.
At one point Jeff slows it down, and you can best see the first person at 4:17, if you play it at 0.25 speed. Look for something like a telegraph pole at the far right of the picture, sticking up above the building. Just to the left of the telegraph pole you see a brief glimpse of him. Continue watching and you'll then see the other person whom Jeff points out near the same telegraph pole. Might be easier to start there and then go backwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBy7QjiDcLo&t=249s

[Maeght]

From above, Crooks, the podium and the impact spot on the railing at the corner of the stand line up pretty well, and the angle of travel is about 45 degrees to the line of the back railing, which could make the puff look as though it was coming straight down that line.
On the video where Jeff Ostroff discusses the bodycam of the Butler cop M500 010482, two people are visible on the roof within yards of each other. Jeff only sees the second one, but someone on X has noticed the other, who is only visible for about half a second.
At one point Jeff slows it down, and you can best see the first person at 4:17, if you play it at 0.25 speed. Look for something like a telegraph pole at the far right of the picture, sticking up above the building. Just to the left of the telegraph pole you see a brief glimpse of him. Continue watching and you'll then see the other person whom Jeff points out near the same telegraph pole. Might be easier to start there and then go backwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBy7QjiDcLo&t=249s

Can't see another person.

[SteveH]

Someone else has had a go. Unfortunately, they too missed.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/sep/15/donald-trump-shooting-florida-golf-course

[Nearly Sane]

Someone else has had a go. Unfortunately, they too missed.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/sep/15/donald-trump-shooting-florida-golf-course

Always lovely to see someone wanting someone murdered.

[SteveH]

Always lovely to see someone wanting someone murdered.

Joke, obviously.

It's not altogether clear from the reports whether the gunman actually fired any shots. Gunshots were heard, but he had been spotted with a rifle by Secret Service agents who fired at him, so it may be that the shots that were heard were from them alone.

[Nearly Sane]

Joke, obviously.

It's not altogether clear from the reports whether the gunman actually fired any shots. Gunshots were heard, but he had been spotted with a rifle by Secret Service agents who fired at him, so it may be that the shots that were heard were from them alone.

It's a shite joke.

[jeremyp]

Joke, obviously.

It's not altogether clear from the reports whether the gunman actually fired any shots. Gunshots were heard, but he had been spotted with a rifle by Secret Service agents who fired at him, so it may be that the shots that were heard were from them alone.

Apparently, her never had sight of Tr*mp.

[Roses]

Trump has the luck of the devil to have survived two apparent assassination attempts, unlike the 4 US presidents who were assassinated whilst still in office.

[Maeght]

Trump has the luck of the devil to have survived two apparent assassination attempts, unlike the 4 US presidents who were assassinated whilst still in office.

God is protecting him.

[Spud]

Can't see another person.

He's there if you watch frame by frame. However the time stamp is about 18:08:45, whereas the time when the other cop sees Crooks running along the rooftop is about 18:08:25. So the two people could perhaps be police officers? Or the times may not be in sync?

[Nearly Sane]

Trump has the luck of the devil to have survived two apparent assassination attempts, unlike the 4 US presidents who were assassinated whilst still in office.

There's quite a number of failed assassination attempts as well on Presidents.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

[Maeght]

He's there if you watch frame by frame. However the time stamp is about 18:08:45, whereas the time when the other cop sees Crooks running along the rooftop is about 18:08:25. So the two people could perhaps be police officers? Or the times may not be in sync?

Can you do a screen grab and point this other person out please?

[jeremyp]

There's quite a number of failed assassination attempts as well on Presidents.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

And those are just the ones we know about.

[Spud]

Can you do a screen grab and point this other person out please?

Even better, if you can view this it shows the entire clip of the person close up:
https://x.com/JG_CSTT/status/1835147773001261535/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1835147773001261535&currentTweetUser=JG_CSTT

[Maeght]

Even better, if you can view this it shows the entire clip of the person close up:
https://x.com/JG_CSTT/status/1835147773001261535/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1835147773001261535&currentTweetUser=JG_CSTT

Said page doesn't exist.

[Spud]

Said page doesn't exist.

Maybe it's for X subscribers only? Here's a screenshot instead.