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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #100 on: August 09, 2024, 11:13:24 AM »
White supremacy in action.

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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #101 on: August 09, 2024, 12:04:35 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 08, 2024, 06:31:43 PM
So anything from those claiming that the counter protests were OK?
No idea who that comment is aimed at.

Of course, those on both sides should be subject to the law equally - whether this relates to incitement to violence (either on-line or in person) or actual violence.

Have I ever suggested otherwise?
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #102 on: August 09, 2024, 02:28:45 PM »
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #103 on: August 09, 2024, 04:58:38 PM »
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #104 on: August 10, 2024, 11:30:07 AM »
Much reaction against sentencing for social media posts, though mainly from people who also wanted action against the ex Labour councillors words at the Walthamstow protest. Also when people were jailed for such during the 2011 riots, it tended be the reverse in general political stances speaking against and for such action.


Avoiding specific cases, I think it's too easy to ignore that this is an immensely difficult area, and that people constantly talk of free speech as an absolute but rarely, if ever mean it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy76dxkpjpjo
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #105 on: August 10, 2024, 11:38:10 AM »
If you dare venture on Twitter (I'd advise against it) the posters on there who are against the prosecution of online posting are very confused about free speech claiming it doesn't exist. I have pointed out, though I fear made no impact, that there is free speech but there is no immunity from the consequences of that expression of free speech. It is a distinction that they sadly do not seem able to comprehend.     #donotshoutfireinacrowdedtheatre

I also agree that it is an immensely difficult area to police, I do not envy the various agencies that have to deal with this issue.
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #106 on: August 10, 2024, 11:48:09 AM »
Quote from: Aruntraveller on August 10, 2024, 11:38:10 AM
If you dare venture on Twitter (I'd advise against it) the posters on there who are against the prosecution of online posting are very confused about free speech claiming it doesn't exist. I have pointed out, though I fear made no impact, that there is free speech but there is no immunity from the consequences of that expression of free speech. It is a distinction that they sadly do not seem able to comprehend.     #donotshoutfireinacrowdedtheatre

I also agree that it is an immensely difficult area to police, I do not envy the various agencies that have to deal with this issue.
From an absolutist viewpoint, there should be no consequences for any form of speech, but I don't know anyone who actually subscribes to someone being able to go up to a five year old and tell them graphically how they are going to be raped, tortured and killed, and there being no consequences. And I'm quite glad I don''t.
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #107 on: August 10, 2024, 03:10:08 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 10, 2024, 11:48:09 AM
From an absolutist viewpoint, there should be no consequences for any form of speech
What about people who call for specific individuals to be murdered? What about people who call for violence against specific groups? Should incitement to violence not be a crime?
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #108 on: August 10, 2024, 04:07:40 PM »
Elon stocking the fire even more.

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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #109 on: August 10, 2024, 04:16:25 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on August 10, 2024, 04:07:40 PM
Elon stocking the fire even more.

What an evil so and so Musk is!  >:(
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #110 on: August 10, 2024, 04:29:26 PM »
It is enjoyable finding the most misguided posts on Twitter, and such a choice.

Anyways, I give you this:

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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #111 on: August 10, 2024, 09:02:19 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on August 10, 2024, 03:10:08 PM
What about people who call for specific individuals to be murdered? What about people who call for violence against specific groups? Should incitement to violence not be a crime?
I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining what it means, see rest of post that you edited out.
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #112 on: August 11, 2024, 01:21:15 PM »
Interesting article in English by Finnish broadcaster YLE on the riots. It goes into foreign involvement on Telegram channels, including a Finnish neo-nazi.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20104291
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #113 on: August 11, 2024, 02:01:30 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on August 10, 2024, 03:10:08 PM
What about people who call for specific individuals to be murdered? What about people who call for violence against specific groups? Should incitement to violence not be a crime?
Of course it should, and is, Free speech has its limits.
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #114 on: August 11, 2024, 02:40:25 PM »
Quote from: SteveH on August 11, 2024, 02:01:30 PM
Of course it should, and is, Free speech has its limits.

I agree.
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #115 on: August 20, 2024, 04:40:19 PM »
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #116 on: August 21, 2024, 11:16:56 AM »
Pakistan charges man over Southport attack disinformation - interesting development. Would seem difficult to prove to me, but I have virtually no knowledge of the Pakistan legal system on this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05je6yz0q1o
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Re: Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'
« Reply #117 on: August 23, 2024, 02:07:45 PM »
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