Eight stabbed and man held in 'major incident'

[jeremyp]

White supremacy in action.

[ProfessorDavey]

So anything from those claiming that the counter protests were OK?

No idea who that comment is aimed at.

Of course, those on both sides should be subject to the law equally - whether this relates to incitement to violence (either on-line or in person) or actual violence.

Have I ever suggested otherwise?

[Nearly Sane]

Very funny

https://x.com/DachshundColin/status/1821228651045601438

[Nearly Sane]

White supremacy in action.

And in jail


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3gqvey04o

[Nearly Sane]

Much reaction against sentencing for social media posts, though mainly from people who also wanted action against the ex Labour councillors words at the Walthamstow protest. Also when people were jailed for such during the 2011 riots, it tended be the reverse in general political stances speaking against and for such action.


Avoiding specific cases, I think it's too easy to ignore that this is an immensely difficult area, and that people constantly talk of free speech as an absolute but rarely, if ever mean it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy76dxkpjpjo

[Aruntraveller]

If you dare venture on Twitter (I'd advise against it) the posters on there who are against the prosecution of online posting are very confused about free speech claiming it doesn't exist. I have pointed out, though I fear made no impact, that there is free speech but there is no immunity from the consequences of that expression of free speech. It is a distinction that they sadly do not seem able to comprehend.     #donotshoutfireinacrowdedtheatre

I also agree that it is an immensely difficult area to police, I do not envy the various agencies that have to deal with this issue.

[Nearly Sane]

If you dare venture on Twitter (I'd advise against it) the posters on there who are against the prosecution of online posting are very confused about free speech claiming it doesn't exist. I have pointed out, though I fear made no impact, that there is free speech but there is no immunity from the consequences of that expression of free speech. It is a distinction that they sadly do not seem able to comprehend.     #donotshoutfireinacrowdedtheatre

I also agree that it is an immensely difficult area to police, I do not envy the various agencies that have to deal with this issue.

From an absolutist viewpoint, there should be no consequences for any form of speech, but I don't know anyone who actually subscribes to someone being able to go up to a five year old and tell them graphically how they are going to be raped, tortured and killed, and there being no consequences. And I'm quite glad I don''t.

[jeremyp]

From an absolutist viewpoint, there should be no consequences for any form of speech

What about people who call for specific individuals to be murdered? What about people who call for violence against specific groups? Should incitement to violence not be a crime?

[ad_orientem]

Elon stocking the fire even more.

[Roses]

Elon stocking the fire even more.

What an evil so and so Musk is! 

[Aruntraveller]

It is enjoyable finding the most misguided posts on Twitter, and such a choice.

Anyways, I give you this:

[Nearly Sane]

What about people who call for specific individuals to be murdered? What about people who call for violence against specific groups? Should incitement to violence not be a crime?

I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining what it means, see rest of post that you edited out.

[ad_orientem]

Interesting article in English by Finnish broadcaster YLE on the riots. It goes into foreign involvement on Telegram channels, including a Finnish neo-nazi.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20104291

[SteveH]

What about people who call for specific individuals to be murdered? What about people who call for violence against specific groups? Should incitement to violence not be a crime?

Of course it should, and is, Free speech has its limits.

[Roses]

Of course it should, and is, Free speech has its limits.

I agree.

[Nearly Sane]

As a long term republican, Republic seem to be a bunch of pricks here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj08430yervo

Well he's turned up


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn876qxq263o

[Nearly Sane]

Pakistan charges man over Southport attack disinformation - interesting development. Would seem difficult to prove to me, but I have virtually no knowledge of the Pakistan legal system on this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05je6yz0q1o

[Nearly Sane]

How sad this is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v51m128e5o

[Nearly Sane]

Southport murders accused facing terror charge - social media off on another spin

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

[Christine]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but here seems as good a place as any.

The "false on-line rumours" were true. The alleged Southport child murderer has been charged with terrorism offences. Excuse the X account name.

https://x.com/StandUptoWoke/status/1851301587119194553

[Nearly Sane]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but here seems as good a place as any.

The "false on-line rumours" were true. The alleged Southport child murderer has been charged with terrorism offences. Excuse the X account name.

https://x.com/StandUptoWoke/status/1851301587119194553

Moderator note: moved from the Tommy Robinson
thread as this thread already going

[Nearly Sane]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but here seems as good a place as any.

The "false on-line rumours" were true. The alleged Southport child murderer has been charged with terrorism offences. Excuse the X account name.

https://x.com/StandUptoWoke/status/1851301587119194553

Well not the name, nor that the person had arrived on a boat in the last year.

[ProfessorDavey]

Well not the name, nor that the person had arrived on a boat in the last year.

Spot on - the false messaging wasn’t about terrorism but claims about the name of the person involved, that he was an asylum speaker and had arrived on a small boat. Which is why the riots targeted places where asylum speakers were being housed.

None of those claims were correct and the recent announcement doesn’t change those facts one iota.

[jeremyp]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but here seems as good a place as any.

The "false on-line rumours" were true. The alleged Southport child murderer has been charged with terrorism offences. Excuse the X account name.

https://x.com/StandUptoWoke/status/1851301587119194553

That tweet is trying to gaslight us. The online rumours were that the murderer was an immigrant.

[Nearly Sane]

Spot on - the false messaging wasn’t about terrorism but claims about the name of the person involved, that he was an asylum speaker and had arrived on a small boat. Which is why the riots targeted places where asylum speakers were being housed.

None of those claims were correct and the recent announcement doesn’t change those facts one iota.

Though there was also a gotcha reaction at the time from some when the murderer was then said to be of a Christian background. So many people seem to want their hatred to be confirmed by this, and other tragic acts. Rather than a period for relection, and calm, they are turned into some sort of circus show.

I see that Robert Jenrick continues his campaign to be the Tories Farage-lite with his claims that the authorities were lying, but the concerns from Jonathan Hall show a much greater awareness of the concept of nuance.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/southport-row-continues-as-watchdog-urges-government-and-police-to-be-more-open/ar-AA1tbKlE