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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2024, 11:42:33 AM »
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Freebies never seem to raise much consternation with Conservative governments.

It did in this household.

That's not really the point though.

Labour, and Starmer in particular, implied that they were going to clean up politics Add to that the ongoing hints that we are going to be expected to swallow unpleasant economic news, hard decisions, yada, yada, yada and people will quite rightly conclude that he is indeed "2 tier Kier". You can't ask people to tighten their collective belts and then continue to get freebies for glasses, Taylor Swift, clothes, etc.

To stand any chance of regaining trust Labour must stop any personal donations of this type. End of.

He's pissed me off.

And I'm a Labour supporter, FFS.
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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2024, 11:47:16 AM »
It did in this household.

That's not really the point though.

Labour, and Starmer in particular, implied that they were going to clean up politics Add to that the ongoing hints that we are going to be expected to swallow unpleasant economic news, hard decisions, yada, yada, yada and people will quite rightly conclude that he is indeed "2 tier Kier". You can't ask people to tighten their collective belts and then continue to get freebies for glasses, Taylor Swift, clothes, etc.

To stand any chance of regaining trust Labour must stop any personal donations of this type. End of.

He's pissed me off.

And I'm a Labour supporter, FFS.

Totally.

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2024, 12:04:00 PM »
Totally.
Agree, and the football shit is annoying me. If you're going to be in politics you might need to make a few sacrifices, and it might be a shame that you can't just use your season ticket to go to an Arsenal match with your son because your leader of the opposition/PM but that seems just part of the job. Many people who Starmer is supposed to represent would have no chance of affording season tickets. It's stupidly entitled.

The line being run out that 'we're not as bad as the Tories' is a disgrace. Rather like being pregnant, you are not just a little corrupt. You are corrupt.

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2024, 05:35:28 PM »
Not bad speech by Starmer but seemed to take a long while to get going with some  weird phrasing early on. It may just be remembered as the 'return the sausages' speech though.


https://youtu.be/mpyU3VsubGA?si=WAt93EjosT-ttl6Z


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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2024, 10:06:42 PM »
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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2024, 01:10:58 PM »
One take in the first hundred days


https://archive.vn/YarRt

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2024, 02:00:00 PM »
One take in the first hundred days


https://archive.vn/YarRt
I see the article references political giant William Hague's analysis of New Labour.
I recall Hague couldn't manage a full English breakfast and New Labour had him for theirs.

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2024, 02:01:07 PM »
I see the article references political giant William Hague's analysis of New Labour.
I recall Hague couldn't manage a full English breakfast and New Labour had him for theirs.
16 pints though

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2024, 02:07:46 PM »
And another review of the first hundred days, this one especially for Vlad, from his replacement for Dick


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv2xp40vpvo

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2024, 02:28:23 PM »
And another review of the first hundred days, this one especially for Vlad, from his replacement for Dick


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv2xp40vpvo
Dick is irreplaceable. I'm a bit of a Mormon when it comes to bogeypersons.

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2024, 06:37:43 PM »

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2024, 04:45:07 PM »
Currently not that well in council by elections


https://electionmaps.uk/council-by-elections/24-29

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2024, 06:46:34 PM »
Oh look it's a petition. It seems to be oddly cheered by some who thought little of the 6.1 million one that cancelling Brexit got, and vice versa.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2r4g98gjo
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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2025, 11:07:25 AM »
This article articulates much of my thinking on our current government:

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/17/keir-starmer-tory-radical-prime-minister-poor-people

So, more reasons to be thoroughly depressed and pissed off.

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2025, 01:07:51 PM »
This article articulates much of my thinking on our current government:

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/17/keir-starmer-tory-radical-prime-minister-poor-people

So, more reasons to be thoroughly depressed and pissed off.
+1

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2025, 04:26:34 PM »
This article articulates much of my thinking on our current government:

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/17/keir-starmer-tory-radical-prime-minister-poor-people

So, more reasons to be thoroughly depressed and pissed off.
From nine years ago where the Labour Party are now


https://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=11751.msg598864#msg598864

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2025, 02:22:40 PM »
Neil Findlay former Labour Party MSP resigns from the party

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-scottish-labour-msp-resigns-34885258

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2025, 04:28:13 PM »
Neil Findlay former Labour Party MSP resigns from the party

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-scottish-labour-msp-resigns-34885258
Hmm - if you polled 1000 people in the UK I wonder how many would have every heard of this chap before.

But a little digging revealed him to be a major cheerleader for Jeremy Corbyn - in which case the Labour party are well shot of him.

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2025, 06:40:30 PM »
Hmm - if you polled 1000 people in the UK I wonder how many would have every heard of this chap before.

But a little digging revealed him to be a major cheerleader for Jeremy Corbyn - in which case the Labour party are well shot of him.
  So what is your opinion of the reforms?

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2025, 09:42:32 AM »

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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2025, 10:17:26 AM »
  So what is your opinion of the reforms?
This bloke seems to have three main gripes, so not sure which you are talking about - so to address each:

1. Winter fuel payment - yup agree with the change - particularly with the current challenges to public finance it is crazy to be giving payment to all people over a particular age regardless of whether they are poor or millionaires. And there are, of course, pensioners who genuinely need these payments (as interestingly there are in all age groups), and these people should (and I gather will) retain the payment. But there are plenty over 65 who are comfortably or well off and do not need them - those that consider the payment as their 'golf-trip' money or '6-nations' fund - yup both of those real cases from my experience).

And actually pensioners are not the poorest age demographic - indeed relative poverty (being below 60% median income) once housing costs are taken into account (pensioners have by far the lowest housing costs) pensioners actually have the lowest % in relative poverty. Ah, but it is about fuel poverty - well actually same applies - the over 75s have the lowest proportion in fuel poverty followed by 65-74.

https://ifs.org.uk/sites/default/files/2024-01/IFS-Report-Housing-costs-and-income-inequality-in-the-UK-edited.pdf (p17)
https://trustforlondon.org.uk/data/demographics/pensioners/

2. WASPI women - don't get me started. No they shouldn't get compensation. They had decades to sort their financial position which most women in their demographic did. They were given ample notice and there was amply communication from government over many years. Take some responsibility for your lives - why should tax payers compensate them for failing to take notice and take responsibility. And of course this was about righting a gross inequality (that men got pensions at a later age). If anyone has a legitimate case that they have been disadvantaged it is the men who had to wait decades before the sex discrimination was finally abolished.

3. Benefits changes - well the devil will be in the detail, but the system absolutely has to be reformed. Not just because of the cost but because the current system is failing swathes of people, many of them young who are being disincentivised to work as they've been told they cannot work (as a binary yes/no) and if they try they lose their benefits. I am a strong believer in work, not just on financial grounds, but on respect, self-worth, ability to be aspirational etc etc and we are failing people if we simply accept that they cannot work, rather than supporting them to work.

I think there should be strong a presumption that people should work unless they cannot and those who can work should be incentivised and supported into work rather than left on the scrap-heap of benefits for life (which is a consequence of the current system). And work is completely different to how it was even a decade ago. Once if you couldn't easily travel or leave the house then work wasn't an option - now home working is the norm for many and so is part-time and flexible working practices). So the system should focus on what you can do, not what you can't.

And we also have the ridiculous situation (which I've seen many times) where the benefits system only allows someone to work a particular number of hours or they lose more in benefits than they gain in earnings. So in my business on several occasions we've had potential employees who we want to take on full time who say they can't work more than 16 hours a week and if they do they'll be worse off financially.

So yup - major reform absolutely needed and well overdue, but of course the most vulnerable (those who genuinely cannot work at all) must be protected - but not everyone on benefits (including health-related benefits) are in that most vulnerable group, by a long way.

This is pretty close to my views:
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/the-times-view/article/labour-has-grasped-the-nettle-on-benefits-but-its-only-a-start-xwv0hqndh

Over to you NS - what are your views on those three issues? Or you could of course merely debase a series of very serious issues with some kind of spoof article from somewhere like The Daily Mash! Oh, you already have!
« Last Edit: March 20, 2025, 12:09:23 PM by ProfessorDavey »

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2025, 10:41:20 AM »
This bloke seems to have three main gripes, so not sure which you are talking about - so to address each:

1. Winter fuel payment - yup agree with the change - is is crazy to be giving payment to all people over a particular age regardless of whether they are poor or millionaires. And there are, of course, pensioners who genuinely need these payments (as interestingly there are in all age groups), and these people should (and I gather will) retain the payment. But there are plenty over 65 who are comfortably or well off and do not need them - those that consider the payment as their 'golf-trip' money or '6-nations fund - yup both of those real cases from my experience).

And actually pensioners are not the poorest age demographic - indeed relative poverty (being below 60% median income) once housing costs are taken into account (pensioners have by far the lowest housing costs) actually have the lowest % in relative poverty. Ah, but it is about fuel poverty - well actually same applies the over 75s have the lowest proportion in fuel poverty followed by 65-74.

https://ifs.org.uk/sites/default/files/2024-01/IFS-Report-Housing-costs-and-income-inequality-in-the-UK-edited.pdf (p17)
https://trustforlondon.org.uk/data/demographics/pensioners/

2. WASPI women - don't get me started. No they shouldn't get compensation. They had decades to sort their financial position which most women in their demographic did. They were given ample notice and there was amply communication from government over many years. Take some responsibility for your lives - why should tax payers compensate them for failing to take notice and take responsibility. And of course this was about righting a gross inequality (that men got pensions at a later age). If anyone has a legitimate case that they have been disadvantaged it is the men who had to wait decades before the sex discrimination was finally abolished.

3. Benefits changes - well the devil will be in the detail, but the system absolutely has to be reformed. Not just because of the cost but because the current system is failing swathes of people, many of them young who are being disincentivised to work as they've been told they cannot work (as a binary yes/no) and if they try they lose their benefits. I am a strong believer in work, not just on financial grounds, but on respect, self-worth, ability to be aspirational etc etc and we are failing people if we simply accept that they cannot work, rather than supporting them to work.

I think there should be strong a presumption that people should work unless they cannot and those who can work should be incentivised and supported into work rather than left on the scrap-heap of benefits for life (which is a consequence of the current system). And work is completely different to how it was even a decade ago. Once if you couldn't easily travel or leave the house then work wasn't an option - now home working is the norm for many and so is part-time and flexible working practices). So the system should focus on what you can do, not what you can't.

And we also have the ridiculous situation (which I've seen many times) where the benefits system only allows someone to work a particular number of hours or they lose more in benefits than they gain in earnings. So in my business on several occasions we've had potential employees who we want to take on full time who say they can't work more than 16 hours a week and if they do they'll be worse off financially.

So yup - major reform absolutely needed and well overdue, but of course the most vulnerable (those who genuinely cannot work at all) must be protected - but not everyone on benefits (including health-related benefits) are in that most vulnerable group, by a long way.

This is pretty close to my views:
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/the-times-view/article/labour-has-grasped-the-nettle-on-benefits-but-its-only-a-start-xwv0hqndh

Over to you NS - what are your views on those three issues? Or you could of course merely debase a series of very serious issues with some kind of spoof article from somewhere like The Daily Mash! Oh, you already have!
My god, a spoof article, the horror! Were you born with the stuck up your arse or did you have an operation to insert it?

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2025, 10:48:14 AM »
My god, a spoof article, the horror! Were you born with the stuck up your arse or did you have an operation to insert it?
And your views on these three topics please?

Or is your latest post merely another one of your classic diversionary tactics to avoid answering a question.

You'll note you asked me a question (So what is your opinion of the reforms?) and I've answered it.

I have also asked you a question (Over to you NS - what are your views on those three issues?) - I await your response.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2025, 10:51:40 AM by ProfessorDavey »

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2025, 10:02:35 AM »
And your views on these three topics please?

Or is your latest post merely another one of your classic diversionary tactics to avoid answering a question.

You'll note you asked me a question (So what is your opinion of the reforms?) and I've answered it.

I have also asked you a question (Over to you NS - what are your views on those three issues?) - I await your response.
Bump for NS.

No response - surely you must have some views on:
1. Winter fuel allowance becoming means tested so that only the poorest pensioners.
2. On whether the so-called WASPI women (a small subset of women born in the 1950s who failed to recognise planned changes to the pension rules over about 2 decades) should receive compensation from tax-payers.
3. The proposed changes to the benefits system.

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Re: How's the government doing?
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2025, 10:43:29 AM »
I can't speak for NS but I have my thoughts.

You cannot say you are going to keep the winter fuel allowance for all pensioners and then get rid of it. OK, it wasn't in the manifesto but up until a few weeks before the announcement Labour ministers were saying there would be no change.

Same with WASPI women - Labour supported them when in opposition giving the impression they would support them. Get elected then do a quick volte face.

As to the proposed changes to the benefit system, yes it needs overhauling, but should a Labour administration be targeting the poorest in society without saying what they will do to offset the losses to individuals that even the govt says will happen.

I just think you are being completely disingenuous here. If it were a Tory government doing these things you would be up in arms about it and rightly so.


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