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Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« on: September 26, 2024, 10:31:37 AM »
Musk will be deeply happy at not being invited, it will appeal to his desire to be talked about.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2024, 10:34:32 AM »
Musk will be deeply happy at not being invited, it will appeal to his desire to be talked about.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c756d56d2dro

Can you be shunned from something?

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2024, 10:38:47 AM »
Musk will be deeply happy at not being invited, it will appeal to his desire to be talked about.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c756d56d2dro
He really is an entitled little t****r isn't he.

There is no obligation on a meeting to invite a particular person to an event. That is their choice as to who to invite and who not to invite. Also worth noting that they invited him before and he declined their invitation.

And even ignoring his negative posts about the UK, is he really a big investor in the UK?

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2024, 10:50:42 AM »
He really is an entitled little t****r isn't he.

There is no obligation on a meeting to invite a particular person to an event. That is their choice as to who to invite and who not to invite. Also worth noting that they invited him before and he declined their invitation.

And even ignoring his negative posts about the UK, is he really a big investor in the UK?
I doubt Starmer was offering a fireside chat.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2024, 10:55:51 AM »
I doubt Starmer was offering a fireside chat.
Indeed, because unlike Sunak he isn't an embarrassing sycophant when it comes to Musk. Sunak came across like some intern at an AI firm overawed by his tech-bro hero.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2024, 11:12:59 AM »
"I don’t think anyone should go to the UK when they’re releasing convicted pedophiles in order to imprison people for social media posts"

That quote sums up Musk in a nutshell. He probably heard it from one of the disinfo accounts he amplifies, checking nothing because he doesn't really care if it's true or not as long as it fits his narrative. Neither will his ego allow him to admit he's ever wrong. At best he's just a ketamine fuelled manchild edgelord. At worst, a deliberately malign agent.
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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2024, 11:53:00 AM »
"I don’t think anyone should go to the UK when they’re releasing convicted pedophiles in order to imprison people for social media posts"

That quote sums up Musk in a nutshell. He probably heard it from one of the disinfo accounts he amplifies, checking nothing because he doesn't really care if it's true or not as long as it fits his narrative. Neither will his ego allow him to admit he's ever wrong. At best he's just a ketamine fuelled manchild edgelord. At worst, a deliberately malign agent.
And the added problem with stuff like it, is that it makes rational criticism about sentencing, and the early releases incredibly difficult because it becomes linked to this sort of stuff.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2024, 12:30:32 PM »
Indeed, because unlike Sunak he isn't an embarrassing sycophant when it comes to Musk. Sunak came across like some intern at an AI firm overawed by his tech-bro hero.
The problem is that in terms of things that the govt might want to achieve in regulation of social media, and AI, Musk is an important player. It would be better to have a working if not sycophantic relationship with him. It's not Starmer's fault thar Musk has decided to become an 'edgelord' as ad_O highlights, but it's not ideal.


The movement of IT players behind Trump is difficult to evaluate in terms of effect till after the US election but it does make me doubt their intentions when they talk about wanting regulation on AI.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2024, 12:55:27 PM »
The problem is that in terms of things that the govt might want to achieve in regulation of social media, and AI, Musk is an important player. It would be better to have a working if not sycophantic relationship with him. It's not Starmer's fault thar Musk has decided to become an 'edgelord' as ad_O highlights, but it's not ideal.


The movement of IT players behind Trump is difficult to evaluate in terms of effect till after the US election but it does make me doubt their intentions when they talk about wanting regulation on AI.
Given the move away from twitter/x Musk is becoming an increasingly less significant player. And it wouldn't surprise me if that decline continues as people pivot to other platforms. There are plenty of UK organisations that has taken a decision to move off twitter/x and I imagine there will be similar movements in other countries.

But on regulation, I think governments, singly and in collaboration need to determine the appropriate scope and levels for regulation. While companies will need to comply and, quite reasonably will need to be formally consulted with particularly on the basis of unintended consequences, regulation must not be in hock to the media companies. I can think of many examples across a range of sectors where there have been major changes to regulation that significantly impacts the work of that sector. In most cases this has been simply imposed, at best there has been limited consultation. In no case has the regulation been brought in only with the explicit consent of the sector, such that they have an effective veto.

If regulation is brought in and Musk doesn't like it - tough.
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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2024, 01:34:42 PM »
Given the move away from twitter/x Musk is becoming an increasingly less significant player. And it wouldn't surprise me if that decline continues as people pivot to other platforms. There are plenty of UK organisations that has taken a decision to move off twitter/x and I imagine there will be similar movements in other countries.

But on regulation, I think governments, singly and in collaboration need to determine the appropriate scope and levels for regulation. While companies will need to comply and, quite reasonably will need to be formally consulted with particularly on the basis of unintended consequences, regulation must not be in hock to the media companies. I can think of many examples across a range of sectors where there have been major changes to regulation that significantly impacts the work of that sector. In most cases this has been simply imposed, at best there has been limited consultation. In no case has the regulation been brought in only with the explicit consent of the sector, such that they have an effective veto.

If regulation is brought in and Musk doesn't like it - tough.
Twitter is still huge in comparison to other similar platforms. And Musk's influence extends way beyond that. Govt regulation in this sector is very slow in comparison to the changes, and part of the push on AI was to try and get regulation in as early as possible.

As noted, it's not just Musk in terms of tech moving behind Trump, and if the election were to be won by Trump, it will be difficult to ensure effective regulation. Indeed, even with the US on side it will be difficult to ensure effective regulation in terms of AI.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2024, 02:02:08 PM »
The problem is that in terms of things that the govt might want to achieve in regulation of social media, and AI, Musk is an important player. It would be better to have a working if not sycophantic relationship with him. It's not Starmer's fault thar Musk has decided to become an 'edgelord' as ad_O highlights, but it's not ideal.


The movement of IT players behind Trump is difficult to evaluate in terms of effect till after the US election but it does make me doubt their intentions when they talk about wanting regulation on AI.

I would argue that the only working relationship that Musk understands is you giving him lots of money - or as in the case of China, India and Turkey, threatening to deprive him of lots of money.

There's no way Musk is going to cooperate with the British government on regulation of social media or AI unless the regulation is "Musk is the only person allowed to do those things here".
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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2024, 02:05:18 PM »
Twitter is still huge in comparison to other similar platforms.
But it's tiny compared to Meta and TikTok and it is unlikely to be solvent for much longer.

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And Musk's influence extends way beyond that. 

Yes, I find that utterly bizarre.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2024, 02:09:29 PM »
I would argue that the only working relationship that Musk understands is you giving him lots of money - or as in the case of China, India and Turkey, threatening to deprive him of lots of money.

There's no way Musk is going to cooperate with the British government on regulation of social media or AI unless the regulation is "Musk is the only person allowed to do those things here".
I don't think he ever intended to di much about regulation, I agree with your assessment of him, that doesn't mean that it isn't going to make things harder now that he's removed that commitment, along with other tech investors to progress a relationship with Trump.

Tbh, I doubt even were he committed to it, thar it would make that much difference but again it's not just him.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2024, 02:11:53 PM »
But it's tiny compared to Meta and TikTok and it is unlikely to be solvent for much longer.

Yes, I find that utterly bizarre.
Meta and Tik Tok aren't that similar, and both have other issues in terms of how you regulate.


As to the second, money.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2024, 04:31:02 PM »
Twitter is still huge in comparison to other similar platforms.
But things can change pretty quickly and I gather twix have lost about a quarter of their users in a couple of years so they could quickly get to a tipping point where they cease to be the go-to app of its type.

If I were to crystal-ball gaze I'd imagine that twitter/x will continue on its currently declining trajectory and it will be clear that they won't be able to turn this around with Musk at the helm. So at some point he will off-load to someone willing to acquire probably at a cut price.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2024, 04:43:07 PM »
But things can change pretty quickly and I gather twix have lost about a quarter of their users in a couple of years so they could quickly get to a tipping point where they cease to be the go-to app of its type.

If I were to crystal-ball gaze I'd imagine that twitter/x will continue on its currently declining trajectory and it will be clear that they won't be able to turn this around with Musk at the helm. So at some point he will off-load to someone willing to acquire probably at a cut price.
Again this doesn't take into account that Musj's influence extends beyond Twitter, and it's not just him. Nor dies it deal with the slowness of government action on such things. As covered in reply to jeremyp, I'm not convinced having Musk 'on side' would make that much of a difference, but a Trump presidency with those tech companies lining up behind him will make things harder.

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Re: Musk hits back after being shunned from UK summit
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2024, 04:57:42 PM »
But things can change pretty quickly and I gather twix have lost about a quarter of their users in a couple of years so they could quickly get to a tipping point where they cease to be the go-to app of its type.

If I were to crystal-ball gaze I'd imagine that twitter/x will continue on its currently declining trajectory and it will be clear that they won't be able to turn this around with Musk at the helm. So at some point he will off-load to someone willing to acquire probably at a cut price.

My crystal ball suggests that Twitter will have to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy because it has a debt that requires more money to service each year than the biggest profit Twitter has ever made even before Musk started wrecking it.

Twitter is fast becoming an irrelevance.
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