UK annual deaths outnumbered births, figures show

[Nearly Sane]

Not sure that there are any political parties with coherent plans on this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ezy14rj8o

[jeremyp]

Not sure that there are any political parties with coherent plans on this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ezy14rj8o

What sort of plan is needed?

[Nearly Sane]

What sort of plan is needed?

How you deal with a situation where the birth rate is insufficient to maintain population, and your economic model is based on the support of a growing number of retired people having their pensions paid for by the workforce, which instead of growing is shrinking

It's not a specifically new problem, and in some ways the immigration issue has come about because of an unofficial policy trying to deal with it. The attempts to ensure that people pay unto to some form of pension is another attempt to deal with it but it's not properly sold as it, and of course the raising of the state pension age is linked to it but there's nothing coherent, and the parties don't talk about the problem in an open way so we get the commitment to the triple lock at the same time as the above piecemeal approach.

[jeremyp]

How you deal with a situation where the birth rate is insufficient to maintain population, and your economic model is based on the support of a growing number of retired people having their pensions paid for by the workforce, which instead of growing is shrinking

The population is being maintained. In fact, it is still growing.

In fact, if everything else was equal, this would be good news because deaths disproportionately affect older people. However, the real "problem" is that people are living longer and that is why the population is getting older.

It's not a specifically new problem, and in some ways the immigration issue has come about because of an unofficial policy trying to deal with it. The attempts to ensure that people pay unto to some form of pension is another attempt to deal with it but it's not properly sold as it, and of course the raising of the state pension age is linked to it but there's nothing coherent, and the parties don't talk about the problem in an open way so we get the commitment to the triple lock at the same time as the above piecemeal approach.

What other approach is there?

[Nearly Sane]

The population is being maintained. In fact, it is still growing.

In fact, if everything else was equal, this would be good news because deaths disproportionately affect older people. However, the real "problem" is that people are living longer and that is why the population is getting older.

What other approach is there?

A completely honest one that doesn't hide immigration as a tactic, that says that the triple lock is unsustainable, that makes clear that the there will be further changes to imposed pension planning.

It's not particularly good news because it's not about reduction in deaths in terms of improved age expectancy, but reduction in the birthrate. You can't keep having an unofficial policy of allowing mass immigration to offset that while lying about attempting to reduce immigration.

Also it's just the UK, this is a widespread issue in the developed world, and yet there aren't coherent plans about what a significant reductions in birthrate cause that I know of in any of the countries.