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Nearly Sane

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Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« on: November 07, 2024, 07:38:05 PM »
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2024, 08:03:32 PM »
Apologies aren't enough - the organisation failed and surely someone in the CofE should accept responsibility and resign.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2024, 01:08:50 PM »
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2024, 04:02:22 PM »
Quite apart from Smyth's appalling abuse, the whole idea of these elitist camps, taking boys by invitation only from major public schools - not any old public schools, just the top ones like Eton and Winchester - is deeply un-Christian.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2024, 05:06:46 PM »
I was talking to someone today who says that Welby is likely to be removed by the end of the week as he hasn't been honest about the way he has dealt with this terrible abuse. Although they don't live in the UK they are in a position to know what goes on in the CofE.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2024, 06:57:37 PM »
Quote from: Roses on November 11, 2024, 05:06:46 PM
I was talking to someone today who says that Welby is likely to be removed by the end of the week as he hasn't been honest about the way he has dealt with this terrible abuse. Although they don't live in the UK they are in a position to know what goes on in the C/E.
Anyone got an idea on how you remove an ABoC?
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2024, 07:35:42 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on November 11, 2024, 06:57:37 PM
Anyone got an idea on how you remove an ABoC?
Paraquat in the communion wine?
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2024, 08:47:34 PM »
Quote from: SteveH on November 11, 2024, 07:35:42 PM
Paraquat in the communion wine?
Maybe Charles says 'Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?'
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2024, 11:57:45 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on November 11, 2024, 08:47:34 PM
Maybe Charles says 'Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?'

What, and get rid of the news story that's keeping his charges to the NHS off the front pages?

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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2024, 06:12:45 AM »
Quote from: Outrider on November 11, 2024, 11:57:45 PM
What, and get rid of the news story that's keeping his charges to the NHS off the front pages?

O.
I suspect Welby will be gone without him but in case anyone is wondering what Outrider is referring to I presume it is this, as mentioned in the thread, second link,

 https://archive.vn/QVSKu

https://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=22244.0
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2024, 02:15:58 PM »

And he's gone, though it hardly deals with the disgrace of how the CoE handled this.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/archbishop-canterbury-justin-welby-resign-john-smyth-abuse-scandal-b1193558.html
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2024, 02:23:18 PM »
Don't think he had much choice - time to detach the C of E from their privileged role in state politics, especially given the decline of Christianity in general and let them swim along with all the other religious groups. Had to laugh at one bishop claiming they were the 'national' church when, as their name implies, there aren't.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2024, 04:56:23 PM »
Welby's statement. Feels off to me by trying to excuse himself too much


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6lzeel2e8o
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2024, 05:55:22 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on November 12, 2024, 04:56:23 PM
Welby's statement. Feels off to me by trying to excuse himself too much


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6lzeel2e8o

His last sentence is fucking nonsense: not my 'hope'. Why on earth do these people assume that their nonsensical beliefs apply to the rest of us by default.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2024, 05:59:55 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on November 12, 2024, 05:55:22 PM
His last sentence is fucking nonsense: not my 'hope'. Why on earth do these people assume that their nonsensical beliefs apply to the rest of us by default.
He's sort of obliged to add that stuff.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2024, 06:26:22 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on November 12, 2024, 05:59:55 PM
He's sort of obliged to add that stuff.

True - but that it's headline news is plain silly: I can't imagine many of my fellow citizens of Bearsden & Milngavie give a flying fuck about what a soon to be ex-cleric in the C of E says about him failing to put people first when he could have done.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2024, 07:32:47 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on November 12, 2024, 06:26:22 PM
True - but that it's headline news is plain silly: I can't imagine many of my fellow citizens of Bearsden & Milngavie give a flying fuck about what a soon to be ex-cleric in the C of E says about him failing to put people first when he could have done.
I've not ever been desperately bothered about the CoE being established but I don't see how they can deal with this while remaining established. It's not a good deal for them.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2024, 07:00:15 AM »
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2024, 06:53:50 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 16, 2024, 07:00:15 AM
And there's more

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydgjevx70o
The article has been considerably updated since I first posted it. I'm not sure the approach being taken by the CoE can work.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2024, 07:24:35 PM »
George Carey resigns as a priest over his and the CoE's failings.Tragic mess


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2714wgdno
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2024, 05:37:27 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on December 17, 2024, 07:24:35 PM
George Carey resigns as a priest over his and the CoE's failings.Tragic mess


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2714wgdno
He's still a priest, just not an active one. He is, after all, 90.
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2024, 07:38:19 AM »
Quote from: SteveH on December 19, 2024, 05:37:27 AM
He's still a priest, just not an active one. He is, after all, 90.
https://youtu.be/gq8xEEdMdBc?si=xNiIERGoyWqpEL2O
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2024, 01:31:28 PM »
I doubt saying how difficult it was for him is going to play well for Cottrell

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7qpdl4jdyo
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Re: Church covered up 'abhorrent' abuse, report finds
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2025, 10:08:55 AM »
There does not seem to be any conception by Cottrell of the suffering of those abused


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20kkz06ngeo
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