Atheism, please note the capitalisation❤️

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Stranger,

Its fascinating or I am fascinating but I thought my post addressed everyone on here, never mind, what would change my mind, good question, evidence concrete evidence of the God I believe in does not exist, and please, please be very careful, the God I believe in, not the God you think I believe in.

Gonnagle.

This is called reversing the burden of truth. Your claim, your burden.

[Stranger]

i did. Maybe you didn't. What would change your mind about a god existing?

As I said: evidence. Actually a sound argument would too but that seems even less likely. Also, anything at all that even hints that any of the many, varied, and mutually contradictory versions of 'God' should be taken seriously would be a step in that direction. Something that even hints that any of them is any different from any other superstition.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Stranger,

Sorry, I am a Gentleman, old Sanes post first please.

Gonnagle.

As a gentleman, you would still owe Stranger an answer to his question which he asked of you before I asked him the follow up.

[Nearly Sane]

As I said: evidence. Actually a sound argument would too but that seems even less likely. Also, anything at all that even hints that any of the many, varied, and mutually contradictory versions of 'God' should be taken seriously would be a step in that direction. Something that even hints that any of them is any different from any other superstition.

Evidence of the supernatural? Given we only have a naturalistic methodology?

Argument? How would that work? I think both you and gonzo believe what you do. Thinking you know what woukd change that is indulgent, and in your case logically contradicts your position

[Stranger]

...what would change my mind, good question, evidence concrete evidence of the God I believe in does not exist, and please, please be very careful, the God I believe in, not the God you think I believe in.

So what is the God that you believe in? What I perhaps didn't explain very well, is that your responses led me to suspect that whatever it is, is unfalsifiable, i.e. there is literally nothing that could happen, nothing you could experience, and nothing that you could discover about the world that would change your belief.

[Gonnagle]

As a gentleman, you would still owe Stranger an answer to his question which he asked of you before I asked him the follow up.

Dear Sane,

Yeah all right >:(you know that's sometimes why I hate God, nobody likes a know it all, gies a kiss❤️

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

So what is the God that you believe in? What I perhaps didn't explain very well, is that your responses led me to suspect that whatever it is, is unfalsifiable, i.e. there is literally nothing that could happen, nothing you could experience, and nothing that you could discover about the world that would change your belief.

And again right back at you

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Sane,

Yeah all right >:(you know that's sometimes why I hate God, nobody likes a know it all, gies a kiss❤️

Gonnagle.

Mwah

[Gonnagle]

So what is the God that you believe in? What I perhaps didn't explain very well, is that your responses led me to suspect that whatever it is, is unfalsifiable, i.e. there is literally nothing that could happen, nothing you could experience, and nothing that you could discover about the world that would change your belief.

Dear Stranger,

Well a bit of honesty on my part, in my life I have been a bit like you ( just a bit ) I have walked away, God could go and fuck himself, but ( always a but ) hard to explain, its the whole thing, the whole shooting match, the science, I see Gods majesty, a babies smile, a beautiful woman, not just some bimbo in a magazine but a real smile from a real woman, laughter, tears, tragedy, its the whole thing, fuck me the Universe, why?? a quiet moment, a really quiet moment when everything is just, just just, there is God.

Sorry that probably doesn't help, be still and know that I am.

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Evidence of the supernatural? Given we only have a naturalistic methodology?

That's of course a problem, but various versions of God have supposedly interacted with the material world, so I cannot totally rule it out. But all you're really doing is saying that many god-concepts are unfalsifiable, which is why it's irrational to accept them.

Argument? How would that work?

No idea, but many theists have attempted them.

I think both you and gonzo believe what you do.

No Gonnagle (and many others) believe in various god-concepts and I see no reason to accept any of them, or even take them seriously.

Thinking you know what woukd change that is indulgent, and in your case logically contradicts your position

If somehow, I was given a reason to take any of the god-concepts seriously, I would. You have just pointed out that that seems unlikely - tell me something I don't know.

And again right back at you

Perhaps you need reminding what agnostic atheism means? I am not saying that no version of god exists, I'm just not accepting the propositions that they do, due to lack of any supporting evidence or reasoning.

[Stranger]

Sorry that probably doesn't help...

Too right.   

[Nearly Sane]

That's of course a problem, but various versions of God have supposedly interacted with the material world, so I cannot totally rule it out. But all you're really doing is saying that many god-concepts are unfalsifiable, which is why it's irrational to accept them.

No idea, but many theists have attempted them.

No Gonnagle (and many others) believe in various god-concepts and I see no reason to accept any of them, or even take them seriously.

If somehow, I was given a reason to take any of the god-concepts seriously, I would. You have just pointed out that that seems unlikely - tell me something I don't know.

Perhaps you need reminding what agnostic atheism means? I am not saying that no version of god exists, I'm just not accepting the propositions that they do, due to lack of any supporting evidence or reasoning.

Perhaps you need reminding of the basic logic of your position, which is that you don't choose your beliefs so thinking you can tell what would change them is a contradiction.

[Gonnagle]

Too right.   

Dear Stranger,

Ah well, back to the old drawing board, but just to end, I know a couple of Atheists who sometimes show me that they have more Christianity in their little finger than I do in my whole body, there I also see God.

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Perhaps you need reminding of the basic logic of your position, which is that you don't choose your beliefs so thinking you can tell what would change them is a contradiction.

This isn't about a belief but a lack of one. However, you're right that we don't choose what we believe, but we can take note of the ways in which our beliefs have been changed in the past. We can also cultivate a critical attitude and be open to questioning our beliefs when we have new information.

[Gonnagle]

This isn't about a belief but a lack of one. However, you're right that we don't choose what we believe, but we can take note of the ways in which our beliefs have been changed in the past. We can also cultivate a critical attitude and be open to questioning our beliefs when we have new information.

Dear Stranger,

Hey I can do that, my religion has changed over the years, so has religion, you should read about it, it is fascinating

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Ah well, back to the old drawing board, but just to end, I know a couple of Atheists who sometimes show me that they have more Christianity in their little finger than I do in my whole body, there I also see God.

   You mean they hate their family, put witches to death, keep slaves, and approve of genocide?

Seriously, you seem to think that everything you perceive as good is 'seeing God'. Sorry, but that just seems a little silly to me. 

[Nearly Sane]

This isn't about a belief but a lack of one. However, you're right that we don't choose what we believe, but we can take note of the ways in which our beliefs have been changed in the past. We can also cultivate a critical attitude and be open to questioning our beliefs when we have new information.

Yeah, that's indulgent bollocks. The idea that your position on anything is somehow different because it is a lack of belief when you accept that you don't choose what your position is laughable. You have a desperate need to claim a superiority that logically makes no sense.

[Maeght]

Dear Stranger,

Ah well, back to the old drawing board, but just to end, I know a couple of Atheists who sometimes show me that they have more Christianity in their little finger than I do in my whole body, there I also see God.

Gonnagle.

They can't show Christianity unless they show they believe Jesus was the Son of God, et, etc.

[Nearly Sane]

They can't show Christianity unless they show they believe Jesus was the Son of God, et, etc.

I don't think Gonzo is saying they are doing that.

[Maeght]

I don't think Gonzo is saying they are doing that.

No, that's the point.

[Nearly Sane]

No, that's the point.

The point is that he's not saying something that you portrayed him as doing? Odd point.

[Gonnagle]

  You mean they hate their family, put witches to death, keep slaves, and approve of genocide?

Seriously, you seem to think that everything you perceive as good is 'seeing God'. Sorry, but that just seems a little silly to me. 

Dear Stranger,

A little silly, that is definitely me, its called being human, you should try it sometime.

Dear Maeght,

We are all Sons of God.

Anyway, off to work, spreading the Gospel, the Gospel according to Gonnagle ✝️

Gonnagle.

[Maeght]

The point is that he's not saying something that you portrayed him as doing? Odd point.

I didn't portray him as saying that.

Gonnagle was surely presenting certain behaviours by atheists as being Christian - presumably referring to so called Christian values. These values are not restricted to Christians therefore should not be referred to as being Christian. To be showing Christian behaviour they would need to believe Jesus was the Son of God.

[Maeght]

Dear Maeght,

We are all Sons of God.

Anyway, off to work, spreading the Gospel, the Gospel according to Gonnagle ✝️

Gonnagle.

Is Jesus considered by Christians to be the Son of God? That is what I said. I also added etc, etc to cover other features of Jesus claimed by Christians (to be God in human form for example). I don't talk Christian so sorry if I don't get the claims totally right from your point of view.

[Aruntraveller]

Dear Stranger,

Hey I can do that, my religion has changed over the years, so has religion, you should read about it, it is fascinating

Gonnagle.

So how has religion changed? 

If it has changed, do you admit it was wrong at some point in the past?

If it was wrong at some point in the past, how do you know it is correct now?

If that is the case, then I can't see how you can be so sure of it, if it keeps getting things wrong.

And surely, if religion is to have any value at all, then it should know what it stands for. Otherwise, you are just rejecting the laws and principles laid down originally which would seem to me, at least, to be going against one of the core tenets of Christianity.

You presumably believe that all of us poor atheists are doomed to eternal damnation and an afterlife in hell.

That is what the Bible says isn't it?