Author Topic: Evidence  (Read 47677 times)

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #150 on: April 17, 2017, 08:15:25 AM »
https://ncse.com/blog/2014/11/top-5-creationist-claims-grand-canyon-1-great-unconformity-0015968
I would suggest the duck test for the great unconformity. If it doesn't look as though a billion years separate two layers, it's most likely that they didn't!
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 08:17:41 AM by Spud »

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
Re: Evidence
« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2017, 03:12:25 PM »
I would suggest the duck test for the great unconformity. If it doesn't look as though a billion years separate two layers, it's most likely that they didn't!
Equally then, if it doesn't look like that the entire earth was covered by a flood 4000 years ago, it's most likely that it wasn't!
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Enki

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3870
Re: Evidence
« Reply #152 on: April 17, 2017, 04:45:17 PM »
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 04:53:00 PM by enki »
Sometimes I wish my first word was 'quote,' so that on my death bed, my last words could be 'end quote.'
Steven Wright

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2017, 10:28:48 AM »
https://ncse.com/blog/2014/11/top-5-creationist-claims-grand-canyon-1-great-unconformity-0015968
So a piece of rock a centimeter above the dividing line is a billion years younger than a piece from a centimeter below it? And erosion of the surface of the lower layer by wind and rain during this time was prevented how, exactly?

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
Re: Evidence
« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2017, 11:02:09 AM »
So a piece of rock a centimeter above the dividing line is a billion years younger than a piece from a centimeter below it? And erosion of the surface of the lower layer by wind and rain during this time was prevented how, exactly?

.. by the layers above it, which were eroded! D'oh.... ::)
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2017, 01:02:54 PM »
.. by the layers above it, which were eroded! D'oh.... ::)
Such erosion is not uniform but irregular, and would not have left the underlying surface flat, as we see it is.

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
Re: Evidence
« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2017, 01:44:54 PM »
Such erosion is not uniform but irregular, and would not have left the underlying surface flat, as we see it is.
Not if the pressure from above flattens it.
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

jeremyp

  • Admin Support
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32532
  • Blurb
    • Sincere Flattery: A blog about computing
Re: Evidence
« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2017, 05:32:35 PM »
So a piece of rock a centimeter above the dividing line is a billion years younger than a piece from a centimeter below it?
Yep. Isn't nature amazing.

Quote
And erosion of the surface of the lower layer by wind and rain during this time was prevented how, exactly?
Because there were layers above it, now missing, that did get eroded.
This post and all of JeremyP's posts words certified 100% divinely inspired* -- signed God.
*Platinum infallibility package, terms and conditions may apply

jeremyp

  • Admin Support
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 32532
  • Blurb
    • Sincere Flattery: A blog about computing
Re: Evidence
« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2017, 05:34:02 PM »
Such erosion is not uniform but irregular, and would not have left the underlying surface flat, as we see it is.
How do you know the interface is flat?  The photograph only shows a very small part of the interface.
This post and all of JeremyP's posts words certified 100% divinely inspired* -- signed God.
*Platinum infallibility package, terms and conditions may apply

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #159 on: April 24, 2017, 09:02:13 PM »
Not if the pressure from above flattens it.
Good point.

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #160 on: April 24, 2017, 09:03:38 PM »
Yep. Isn't nature amazing.
Because there were layers above it, now missing, that did get eroded.
So is there any evidence for the missing layers that got eroded?

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #161 on: April 28, 2017, 03:38:18 PM »
Not if the pressure from above flattens it.

Is there evidence for any now-missing rocks that could have done that?

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #162 on: April 28, 2017, 03:39:45 PM »
How do you know the interface is flat?  The photograph only shows a very small part of the interface.
If you're referring to this:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rwolf/5137667115/in/photostream/
I don't think there is much doubt that the interface is flat.

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
Re: Evidence
« Reply #163 on: April 28, 2017, 06:32:14 PM »
Is there evidence for any now-missing rocks that could have done that?
You only need the now present ones to have done it!
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #164 on: June 03, 2017, 09:31:49 AM »
You only need the now present ones to have done it!
The now present rocks were sand when deposited, so that is unlikely.

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
Re: Evidence
« Reply #165 on: June 04, 2017, 01:54:33 AM »
The now present rocks were sand when deposited, so that is unlikely.
You mean that sand can become rock! Wow how long does that take?
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #166 on: June 11, 2017, 08:59:59 AM »
You mean that sand can become rock! Wow how long does that take?
Quite a while I guess. Isn't the question "Does pressure from overlying rocks flatten underlying ones?" I think you'll find that this is not the case. For example, do you think the rocks of the Curtis formation flattened the upper surface of the entrada sandstone, seen in this picture?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrada_Sandstone#/media/File%3AEntrada_Sandstone_capped_by_Curtis_Formation_in_Cathedral_Valley.jpg
So we still have no evidence for a billion year gap between the precambrian and entrada formations.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 09:04:19 AM by Spud »

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #167 on: June 11, 2017, 09:26:39 AM »
Interestingly, the plain on which the entrada sandstone sits in the above picture is also flat

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
Re: Evidence
« Reply #168 on: June 11, 2017, 10:39:23 AM »
Interestingly, the plain on which the entrada sandstone sits in the above picture is also flat
So why are they all flat then?
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Sebastian Toe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7719
Re: Evidence
« Reply #169 on: June 11, 2017, 10:41:18 AM »
Quite a while I guess.
How long would "quite a while" be, approximately?
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Spud

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7142
Re: Evidence
« Reply #170 on: June 11, 2017, 03:44:53 PM »
So why are they all flat then?
I don't know. I couldn't find out what kind of rock it is on the Cathedral Valley floor.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2017, 06:48:56 PM by Spud »

Anchorman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16038
  • Maranatha!
Re: Evidence
« Reply #171 on: June 19, 2017, 04:29:03 PM »
Interesting piece about the decline and fall of the Egyptian empire - in Canaan. http://www.archaeology.org/issues/262-1707/features/5627-jaffa-egypt-canaan-colony
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

Anchorman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16038
  • Maranatha!
Re: Evidence
« Reply #172 on: July 03, 2017, 08:30:53 AM »
      For the science-y geeks, here's a link to DNA research on the ethnicity of Ancient Egyptians. Some of the American 'racial purity' brigade have gone nuts, after assuming purely black origins. On the other hand, the data confirms what the rest of us have known for yonks; despite portraying a xenophobic iconography, diverse populations of migrant settlers from North Africa, the Middle East, Western Asia and even Europe helped stir the gene pool. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dna-genome-heritage/index.html
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

Anchorman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16038
  • Maranatha!
Re: Evidence
« Reply #173 on: March 14, 2018, 11:23:27 AM »
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."