Should we leave the EEC?

[jakswan]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

[wigginhall]

I thought that the EU economy crashed during 08/09 and stayed stagnant, but has been growing since about 2013; but I stand to be corrected.  Chart here:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/gdp-growth

[jakswan]

I thought that the EU economy crashed during 08/09 and stayed stagnant, but has been growing since about 2013; but I stand to be corrected.  Chart here:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/gdp-growth

Perhaps Jack was referring to himself when he said "I have never received cogent comments on articles I have posted on any EU issue"?

[jeremyp]

I'm splitting my sides in gut wrenching cachinnations. Up to your usual low standards, Jeremy!!!

I'm merely pitching my arguments at a level you might be able to understand.

You're the moronic economic idiot!!!

I didn't actually call you a moronic idiot.  I merely stated the level at which I was pitching my argument.  So instead of throwing insults around, why not try thinking and engaging.  Can you at least see that my statement

"if Europe is rich, they buy more stuff off us"

is true?

[Jack Knave]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

[Jack Knave]

I'm splitting my sides in gut wrenching cachinnations. Up to your usual low standards, Jeremy!!!

I'm merely pitching my arguments at a level you might be able to understand.

You're the moronic economic idiot!!!

I didn't actually call you a moronic idiot.  I merely stated the level at which I was pitching my argument.  So instead of throwing insults around, why not try thinking and engaging.  Can you at least see that my statement

"if Europe is rich, they buy more stuff off us"

is true?

I've answered that. Any fool can postulate 'if' questions.

The fact that you didn't understand my straight forward and clear answer just shows why you are pitching things so low; because that's the only level you know.

[jakswan]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

Data that reports the EU GDP falling for the last 3/4 years. Why, on what basis did you make the claim?

[jeremyp]

I didn't actually call you a moronic idiot.  I merely stated the level at which I was pitching my argument.  So instead of throwing insults around, why not try thinking and engaging.  Can you at least see that my statement

"if Europe is rich, they buy more stuff off us"

is true?

I've answered that. Any fool can postulate 'if' questions.

No.  That was a blatant avoidance of an answer.

The fact that you didn't understand my straight forward and clear answer

I understood it perfectly.  You were saying "Jack Knave doesn't have an answer so he is going to run away, whilst hurling insults to cover his tracks.

You have no idea about economics.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Meanwhile PUKIP show themselves up again, a Puke MEP has finally apologised after implying that the boss of a Christian charity is a paedophile.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/01/ukip-mep-apologises-tweet-charity-boss-paedophile

[Jack Knave]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

Data that reports the EU GDP falling for the last 3/4 years. Why, on what basis did you make the claim?

Data doesn't 'report' only people do. So what I'm asking essentially is who's comments on this would you accept and who's wouldn't you?

[Jack Knave]

The fact that you didn't understand my straight forward and clear answer

I understood it perfectly.  You were saying "Jack Knave doesn't have an answer so he is going to run away, whilst hurling insults to cover his tracks.

That clearly tells me you didn't understand it at all because you're too shallow minded to see your own simple error.

Go back to school and get a proper education. and clear your mind of all that Leftie crap.

[Jack Knave]

Data doesn't 'report' only people do. So what I'm asking essentially is who's comments on this would you accept and who's wouldn't you?

Data does indeed report. That's why it's collected.

What is reported is the analysis and assessment of that data which is done by a human being.

In fact data is collected by humans so compounding the iffyness of it.

[jakswan]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

Data that reports the EU GDP falling for the last 3/4 years. Why, on what basis did you make the claim?

Data doesn't 'report' only people do. So what I'm asking essentially is who's comments on this would you accept and who's wouldn't you?

Let me rephrase and put down some clear questions:-

1. Do you have any data that supports your assertion that "EU GDP is going down year on year"?

2. If you do not have any data on what basis did you make the claim?

I'm undecided on the EU, so I'm keen to hear either case being made... Do you think I should listen to someone who claims to "have never received cogent comments on articles I have posted on any EU issue"  and appears to makes claims without first having evidence to back the claims up?

[Jack Knave]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

Data that reports the EU GDP falling for the last 3/4 years. Why, on what basis did you make the claim?

Data doesn't 'report' only people do. So what I'm asking essentially is who's comments on this would you accept and who's wouldn't you?

1. Do you have any data that supports your assertion that "EU GDP is going down year on year"?

What I was referring to the EU's share of global GDP.

See chart http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/File:Share_of_world_GDP,_2002_and_2012_(%25,_based_on_current_international_PPP).png

It is forecast to go down to around 15% by 2020.

[jakswan]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

Data that reports the EU GDP falling for the last 3/4 years. Why, on what basis did you make the claim?

Data doesn't 'report' only people do. So what I'm asking essentially is who's comments on this would you accept and who's wouldn't you?

1. Do you have any data that supports your assertion that "EU GDP is going down year on year"?

What I was referring to the EU's share of global GDP.

See chart http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/File:Share_of_world_GDP,_2002_and_2012_(%25,_based_on_current_international_PPP).png

It is forecast to go down to around 15% by 2020.

So you were not cogent then.

[Harrowby Hall]

What I was referring to the EU's share of global GDP.

See chart http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/File:Share_of_world_GDP,_2002_and_2012_(%25,_based_on_current_international_PPP).png

It is forecast to go down to around 15% by 2020

A decrease in the proportion of global GDP does not necessarily mean that EU GDP is decreasing.

It could well be increasing.

Not a particularly useful example for you to use.

[Jack Knave]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

Data that reports the EU GDP falling for the last 3/4 years. Why, on what basis did you make the claim?

Data doesn't 'report' only people do. So what I'm asking essentially is who's comments on this would you accept and who's wouldn't you?

1. Do you have any data that supports your assertion that "EU GDP is going down year on year"?

What I was referring to the EU's share of global GDP.

See chart http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/File:Share_of_world_GDP,_2002_and_2012_(%25,_based_on_current_international_PPP).png

It is forecast to go down to around 15% by 2020.

So you were not cogent then.

More to the point I'm not God or a god i.e. I'm not infallible.

[Jack Knave]

What I was referring to the EU's share of global GDP.

See chart http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/File:Share_of_world_GDP,_2002_and_2012_(%25,_based_on_current_international_PPP).png

It is forecast to go down to around 15% by 2020

A decrease in the proportion of global GDP does not necessarily mean that EU GDP is decreasing.

It could well be increasing.

Not a particularly useful example for you to use.

I never said or implied that. You need to learn how to understand English.

[jakswan]

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

Citation required.

I intrigued, what would count as a valid citation?

Data that reports the EU GDP falling for the last 3/4 years. Why, on what basis did you make the claim?

Data doesn't 'report' only people do. So what I'm asking essentially is who's comments on this would you accept and who's wouldn't you?

1. Do you have any data that supports your assertion that "EU GDP is going down year on year"?

What I was referring to the EU's share of global GDP.

See chart http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/File:Share_of_world_GDP,_2002_and_2012_(%25,_based_on_current_international_PPP).png

It is forecast to go down to around 15% by 2020.

So you were not cogent then.

More to the point I'm not God or a god i.e. I'm not infallible.

I never said you were. You did claim that others were not cogent when engaging with you on the EU and yet you were found wanting in this regard when I engaged with you on the topic.

[Harrowby Hall]

What I was referring to the EU's share of global GDP.

See chart http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/File:Share_of_world_GDP,_2002_and_2012_(%25,_based_on_current_international_PPP).png

It is forecast to go down to around 15% by 2020

A decrease in the proportion of global GDP does not necessarily mean that EU GDP is decreasing.

It could well be increasing.

Not a particularly useful example for you to use.

I never said or implied that. You need to learn how to understand English.

Really?

Then what do you understand by this, which is exactly what you said.

Except the EU GDP is going down year on year. It is virtually dead in the water. We need to leave it.

It is you who needs lessons in English.

[jeremyp]

More to the point I'm not God or a god i.e. I'm not infallible.

No.  You're a liar.  You said that EU GDP is going down year on year and it isn't.

Here's a graph of EU GDP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union#mediaviewer/File:Graph_of_average_growth_rate_of_EU_countries_and_Euro_zone.png

It shows GDP growth in real terms, above 0 means GDP is going up, below 0 means it is going down. 

GDP went up in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2013.

The predictions for 2014 onwards are positive.

Next time, do your research before putting your foot in your mouth.

[Elevenses81]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497

According to a report by University College London's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration, in 2011 EU economic migrants contributed a net £5bn to our economy in taxes. Given that our net annual 'fee' to the EU is £12bn [includes rebates], migrants can be viewed are an essential asset to our economy.

[King Oberon]

Leave the EU? I thought we were better together.. Gordon where are you! 

[jakswan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497

According to a report by University College London's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration, in 2011 EU economic migrants contributed a net £5bn to our economy in taxes. Given that our net annual 'fee' to the EU is £12bn [includes rebates], migrants can be viewed are an essential asset to our economy.

There will still be migrants if we left the EU?

[jakswan]

Leave the EU? I thought we were better together.. Gordon where are you! 

We are better apart but better together in the EU... Alex where are you!