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« Reply #125 on: April 26, 2016, 10:41:41 PM »
Trentvoyager:
I can't speak for other gay partnerships - but I can for mine.

You are correct by and large we don't have children - except for Lesbians of course who astoundingly quite often do.

But other responsibilities I have had over the years to both my own and my partners family. Responsibilities that have brought both pain and pleasure. The pleasure of new born nephews and nieces coming into the world and the pleasure of watching them grow into loving, warm hearted generous people who look on myself and my partner as Uncles, which we are. You know part of the family, in the family, making the family work, making it better to be a part of for everyone. The pain of loss - of parents, and a brother in law, of various aunts and uncles - and being a part of the family and supporting one another and caring and letting my partner rant and scream with the grief of loss as I hold him.

Now I post this - not because it is exceptional, rather because I imagine most people of a certain age who post here know exactly what I am talking about. Yet you in your off hand way say that because we have no responsibilities we are not "entitled to enjoy sex".

Oh I have responsibilities my friend, which I have carried out as a human being - not bothered by the type of sex any of my relatives or friends have - I carried them out because it was the right, proper, human thing to do.

You might want to think on about what it means to be human - because imo you have some serious work to do.

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« Reply #126 on: April 27, 2016, 10:32:59 AM »
And from horsethorn:

Well, it all begins back when Tyr was into cryptic crosswords, and noticed that Baldur's name was an anagram for 'u r bald'. This didn't please Odin, and they had a bit of a disagreement. However, the writers of the Prose Edda had an idea to calm them all down. They made this announcement...

Because of the Anagrams dispute it has been decided to devote the rest of this space to a page specially written for people who like figures of speech, for the not a few fans of litotes, and those with no small interest in meiosis, for the infinite millions of hyperbole-lovers, for those fond of hypallage, and the epithet's golden transfer, for those who fall willingly into the arms of the metaphor, those who give up the ghost, bury their heads in the sand and ride roughshod over the mixed metaphor, and even those of hyperbaton the friends.

It will be, too, for those who reprehend the malapropism; who love the wealth of metonymy; for all friends of rhetoric and syllepsis; and zeugmatists with smiling eyes and hearts. It will bring a large absence of unsatisfactory malevolence to periphrastic fans; a wig harm bello to spoonerists; and in no small measure a not less than splendid greeting to you circumlocutors.

The world adores prosopopeiasts, and the friendly faces of synechdotists, and can one not make those amorous of anacoluthon understand that if they are not satisfied by this, what is to happen to them?

It will attempt to really welcome all splitters of infinitives, all who are Romeo and Juliet to antonomasia, those who drink up similes like sparkling champagne, who lose nothing compared with comparison heads, self-evident axiomists, all pithy aphorists, apothegemists, maximiles, theorists, epigrammatists and even gnomists.

And as for the lovers of aposiopesis--!

It will wish bienvenu to all classical adherents of euphuism, all metathesistic birds, golden paronomasiasts covered in guilt, fallacious paralogists, tropists, anagogists, and anaphorists; to greet, welcome, embrace asyndeton buffs, while the lovers of ellipsis will be well-met and its followers embraced, as will be chronic worshipers of catachresis and supporters of anastrophe the world over.

Hope that helps


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Re: Forum Best Bits
« Reply #127 on: May 01, 2016, 09:29:19 AM »
Stephen Taylor is off flashing again:

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Same here, not going to be around much today. I have an insatiable urge to get my tackle out and head for the canal.
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

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« Reply #128 on: May 24, 2016, 10:09:34 AM »
Nearly Sane - for it's sheer silliness (which is all that thread deserves) from the Moon Landings thread:

Stanley Kurbrick, on the other hand, arrived a year later than his more famous near namesake and tried to break into film directing. At first he found it enormously easy to get interviews but found it hard to get any funding for his proposed films, Wee Peter about a woman attracted to an adolescent boy, based on the book by Narbokov, and Nurse OddAttraction about the lunacy of nuclear power.


Later attempts to raise money for 'One Minute Past Eight: A Spice Odyssey' and 'A Wind-Up Caroline Lucas' also failed. Down on his luck, he was somewhat confused to be approached by someone saying they represented NARSA, asking him to direct a film about landing on the moon. Despite pouring his whole talent into this, he never understood why it didn't receive a general release but he had lots of props in the garage of the "Moon Rocks' which he gave out to his friends including Neal Amstong and Bizz Aldin.


Based on his experience, he tried touting a film about a faked Mars landing called Sagittarius Three. After his death his final project S I, about the metric system, was picked up by Sterven Spitzbergen but this too failed to attract funding.

And for completeness sake:

I did, of course, miss out Kurbrick's move to Scotland when he attempted to get the Scottish Film Board interested in his horror film set in a Scottish B and B, The Shite Inn, based on the Stephen Kong novel. And what was the last film he failed to direct before he died, a comedy based on Nationalists trying to run a vineyard, Ayes Wine Shit, the script for which was described by Mark Commode as the worst he had ever seen apart from, ironically, that of Eyes Wide Shut by his near namesake.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2016, 02:59:53 PM by Trentvoyager »
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #129 on: May 30, 2016, 02:16:07 PM »

From Enki

David Bentley Hart, in his chapter 'Bliss' from his book "The Experience of God" says this.

“if we should conclude  that there is no such thing as real goodness, we can certainly cease to behave in a spirit of charity, or to feel any sense of moral responsibility towards others.” In other words, he is saying that if we really do not believe in  objective absolutes, which have their basis in a metaphysical objective reality, then we are incapable of  moral feelings, thoughts and actions.
However, so his argument goes, by the very fact that we perceive the good and the bad, and by trying to follow the good, we inevitably believe in moral absolutes which come from this objective morality. Having your cake and eating it come to my mind!

My answer to this would be as follows:

I function according to the way nature has made me.

So, even though I know that all atoms are virtually composed  of space,  when I sit down, I expect and feel  the material solidity of what I am sitting on. This is the way nature allows me to function in the natural world I inhabit.

Similarly,  I  suggest that everything I do and think is determined by cause and effect (leaving aside quantum mechanics, which may be responsible for a random element)) so that I cannot make total free will decisions. However, this does not stop me functioning in the natural world under what I consider to be the  illusion of free will,  because this is the way that nature intended me to act.  In essence, the fact that I live my life as if free will existed is not evidence that it actually does.

In exactly the same way, I can happily maintain no actual belief in an objective morality, but act quite naturally as if I did, because this is the way I  was made to function. This is my answer to  Hart’s  point that if we function as if morality has some objective reality, we must therefore, inescapably, believe that it has.  Like most other people, I make what I consider to be moral decisions all the time and yet I have no underlying belief that  morality is anything but a human concept conditional only on the fact that there are humans around to portray  and act upon such  attributes. The fact that I live my life as if some sort of morality actually existed is not evidence that it actually does.

I actually see morality as a human construct which attempts to deal with all manner of situations which have no intrinsic moral value in themselves. The morality we feel is  based upon the need for social cohesion, driven by the qualities of empathy, compassion and altruism and and fashioned by culture, nurture and rationality. I would suggest that my personal morals are a result of these, and capable of wide interpretation given any particular 'moral' situation. I may well be ‘wrong’ on any particular instance according to others who may take a contrary and opposing view. Indeed I may even change my moral stance if I am convinced that I should do so. I try to follow what I think is reasonable 'moral' behaviour according to the view of morality that I have described.

I would suggest, that this is the way evolution has made us in order to  maintain the viability of our species.  If drinking tea had any strong emotional overtones such that we felt our species threatened by those who do not drink tea, then, I suggest, drinking tea would then become a clear moral issue.

For myself,  ideally, when I say  something is wrong, my first reaction is of something which offends my nature. The wrongness I feel might take the form of disapproval, disgust, abhorrence, even fear, depending upon the situation. I then try to assess the wrongness of the situation according to my values,( which may well have their origin in my culture and my upbringing). in as rational a way as possible(e.g. by trying to ascertain as many facts regarding the situation as possible or by  trying to consider in as  level headed a way as possible  the points of view of others.)  The result of all this is something which I would call my moral opinion.

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Re: Forum Best Bits
« Reply #130 on: June 03, 2016, 08:42:37 AM »
From Sassy - the mental contortions of:

God killed those who killed their children and their children to stop more being killed.

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« Reply #131 on: June 07, 2016, 03:33:22 PM »
From Trentvoyager, on the subject of growing human organs in pigs



I thought Cameron had already grown an organ in a pig?


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« Reply #132 on: June 07, 2016, 08:25:51 PM »
From Jack Knave, about Nigel Far age, priceless



Of course, the guys a genius and knows the EU inside out.

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« Reply #133 on: June 11, 2016, 03:28:24 PM »
From Vlad, an instruction we all might follow:


Don't be sorry Len, sail majestically, get sunk majestically, salvage whatever you can majestically......

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« Reply #134 on: June 12, 2016, 04:06:35 PM »
Although it's been said many times before, I find this quote from Some Kind of Stranger(from the 'Re: Is man getting too big for the world?' thread, Post 204) to be particularly effective:

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The existence of a god is exactly as puzzling as the existence of a universe. In terms of the fundamental puzzle of why things exist and are the way they are, a god explains nothing, it just moves the problem.
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« Reply #135 on: June 14, 2016, 12:12:13 PM »
Needs to be saved, Sassy channels JC and after the cursing of the fig tree we have the cursing of the strawberries. One day, all soft fruit will bow.


'I remember when in my early 20's I went strawberry picking on a farm with my family.
The farmer has left barbwire amongst his crop of strawberries. It tore my skirt a few inches closer and it would have been my legs. When I pointed this out to him, I at least expected an apology and the cost of my skirt. He was smarmy and not nice the people present just walked off and did not buy their strawberries. I told him straight it will cost him more in the long run because vengeance is mine saith the LORD. The following year his whole crop of strawberries were destroyed and he never grew them again.'

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« Reply #136 on: June 17, 2016, 10:02:53 AM »
I love the open reflection of Gonnagle in this post on the thread on the murder of Jo Cox


'My thoughts and prayers are with Jo Cox's family.

Who to blame, who is at fault for this terrible tragedy, who's fault is it that a man was so disturbed he resorted to this kind of violence, do we blame the overstretched NHS for not treating this poor individual properly, well no, not the NHS fault that our NHS is overstretched by an influx of foriegners, how dare these foreigners use our our NHS.

Do I blame the rise of so called far right groups, why have we got far right groups, what are they protesting about, oh right!! the influx of foreigners eroding our oh so British ways.

Do I blame the millions that are saying to our government, enough is enough, never mind immigrants, what about us, are they right, has the government let them down.

Do I blame the politicians, Jo Cox was a politician, the way this EU referendum farce has been conducted by both sides of the divide, are they at fault.

Do I blame Blair, his jump to go to war, without a thought for the consequences.

Do I blame Islam, that terrible religion which has seen its birth place raped and destroyed by the west.

Just where do I point the finger, well I have to agree with our Prime Minister "we are all in it together".'

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« Reply #137 on: July 23, 2016, 11:14:36 AM »

From Brownie on the subject of exploitative preachers


Unreconstructed bollocks fits the bill but I do find it deeply sad that people, including one of our fellow posters, actually believe what the man says.  I've never seen him preach on television but I don't have satellite channels or whatever he would be on, but there are many who do and obviously he is well known over the pond.  He exploits the vulnerable.  I feel very sorry indeed for the vulnerable who need protection.  I can see it brings light and comfort into their lives but it's false, exploitative and it is up to those around them to be caring and try to introduce some legitimate comfort to them.

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« Reply #138 on: July 24, 2016, 10:24:37 PM »
From Hope:
Unfortunately, there is no evience that there is no such evidence, Owl.
(Sounds like a Winnie the Pooh comment)

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« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2016, 10:43:00 AM »
Whatever we don't want any. We are British and we want to rule ourselves having ruled two thirds of the world almost at one point.  I think we know what is best for us.

I want to live in freedom to choose my religion or not. To make the decisions for our country ourselves and keep the freedom our ancestors died for.


Harrowby Hall replying to Sass' post above:


I think I get it.

We were extremely successful at invading other countries, taking them over, subjugating the residents of those countries, removing local raw materials for our own benefit, imposing our religion and cultural values on the residents.

And because we were so good at doing all that we should be left in isolation so that we can congratulate ourselves at how rapacious and greedy we were and spend the rest of eternity living in the past.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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« Reply #140 on: July 26, 2016, 05:20:08 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp
In the last few hundred years, Europe has been beset by internal conflict. In many cases Britain, although on the sidelines, has not turned its back on its European neighbours but has stepped in, usually on the side perceived to be morally right.

In the Napoleonic wars we fought against the political hegemony of France with other countries in Europe and helped overthrow a dictator in control of the most powerful army in history. Many British people gave their lives.

In the Crimean War we fought with France and Turkey against Russian land grabbing. Many British people gave their lives.

In the First World War, we threw in our lot with France again. Many British lives were lost.

In the Second World War, we fought against Hitler's empire building. Many British lives were lost.

Britain has a history of facing up to crises in continental Europe, often at great cost. Now, nobody would claim that the EU is in a crisis rivalling that of the Second World War (except Jack Knave), but it has its problems that need to be sorted out. And here we are running away.

Sassy, contrary to forgetting about the British people who gave their lives for the cause in the past, we shame them by running away from the current challenge.
If only every Jeremy could come up with such oratory.
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« Reply #141 on: August 02, 2016, 07:27:43 PM »

Harrowby Hall on things that move him

I remember hearing John Lill playing Beethoven in the Albert Hall, Nottingham, the day he had been awarded the OBE. The Beethoven concerto which moves me is the Fourth - unlike the others it is intimate and questioning.

Things that move me? My beautiful grandchildren.

But back to music - Charles Trenet singing La Mer. The Beach Boys, too. The final moments of South Pacific.

In Paradisum from Faure's Requiem (I had this played at my wife's funeral)

The Angel's Farewell from Gerontius (Nothing, anywhere, comes as close as the music of Edward Elgar when it comes to describing what it's like to be me.) Yehudi Menuhin playing the Violin Concerto with Elgar conducting.

Other things that move me : the paintings of William Turner. The landscape of the Pays des Serres north of Agen. The Peace Park and Peace Museum in Hiroshima and the temples, shrines and other monuments on Miyajima.

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« Reply #142 on: August 10, 2016, 11:53:09 AM »
I choose this from Blue, from post 159 on the Sunday Assembly-Surprising BBC? Thread, because it seems to succinctly mirror my own attitudes and feelings:

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Well yes, though a common criticism of that from the religious is that those of us who think that way must be shallow, ungrounded – after all, we have no meaning in our lives!

It fails I think for several reasons. Fundamentally it’s an argument from consequences – “I think that there has to be a universal planner for there to be meaning in my life, therefore there’s a universal planner!”

It also fails to grasp that many people are perfectly capable of feelings every bit as deep and profound and important as they are within the paradigm of the uncaring and largely parochial universe we appear to occupy. Why wouldn’t we be? I’d even go further sometimes – how much more grand, more transcendent is the understanding science gives us of the universe than tawdry and un-ambitious tales of porcine slaughter, tribal genocide etc?
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« Reply #143 on: August 10, 2016, 12:26:20 PM »
Dear Enki,

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than tawdry and un-ambitious tales of porcine slaughter, tribal genocide etc?

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« Reply #144 on: August 17, 2016, 11:33:34 AM »
From Hope

What an admission:


jeremyp

I'm really not sure why you are still banging on about this, Hope.


Hope

To tell you the truth, nor am I!!  Must have been having the odd brain-storm.



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« Reply #145 on: August 24, 2016, 11:09:56 AM »
A good 'un from Torridon.

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Not quite sure what this all means, perhaps it is a touch endowed with Vladerian kitsch. We are all born with a state of partial knowledge; we'd like to understand everything but we can't. Many take up with a somewhat traditional belief in a God as the basis of an ultimate explanation for everything; to some of us that doesn't look plausible so we don't set about building a faith or nurturing a belief.  Hence we remain without theist faith, ie atheist. The burden of proof lies with those making the claim; I make no positive claim about some grand transcendental narrative that explains all, I am content to wait for whatever enlightenment might come via small incremental improvements in our understanding through research. In the meantime, we carry on, of course, chocolate still tastes good, the dog still needs walking, we take whatever pleasures come our way.

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« Reply #146 on: September 04, 2016, 04:21:11 PM »
Wigginhall:

Well, I feel very sorry for Solomon, to have such an impoverished life.   Did he have no friends, or partner, or children?  Did he not have a career, or hobbies, such as gardening?   Poor guy, and of course, there was no Strictly Come Dancing in those days, but hold on, maybe there was, 700 wives would provide a good conga.

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« Reply #147 on: September 22, 2016, 01:41:55 PM »
From Nicholas Marks - the support band for The Hexagons of Lightning, The Pumps of Iniquity



.Now Satan avoids Jesus like the plague so I suggest he doesn't loiter anywhere near Jesus' accurate teaching though he fuels his Rolls Royce at the pumps of iniquity.


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« Reply #148 on: September 22, 2016, 05:28:05 PM »
From Sassy:


"How does the individual know the teachings of Christ?

According to Jeremiah it isn't the old way of obeying a written law but by the Truth being within us. The new Covenant according to God by Jesus and the Spirit.
So when Jesus spoke the words of John 16:13 he was clearly telling us that true believers will worship by Spirit and in truth.

Christ also gave clear and concise evidence of what it take to know and love him and the Father and that way is to obey the commandments to love God and others.

The practical way of loving God is believing him, and loving your neighbour means you will not steal from your neighbour, covet his goods or anything belonging to your neighbour. Not doing anything you would not want others to do unto you.

What is wonderful about the miracles of God and the good things Christ gave us and those who believe is that everyone can be healed whether atheist  or believer. That those who believe in Christ by name can do what he did and those who have needs can have them met.

It clear from the disciples and they had to wait for the power of the Spirit in their lives to be able to preach the gospel and do all that Christ did when it came to the Kingdom. But healing and receiving good things from God have always been freely given by him.

Men cling to man made beliefs but neglect the powerful truth that is the Spirit and Truth are the individual way of knowing God and Jesus. So many different thoughts taught but the truth brings it all down to the way of the disciples and the early Church."
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power and of love and of a sound mind ~ 2 Timothy 1:7

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« Reply #149 on: September 30, 2016, 01:11:13 PM »
Nearly on top form in response to a post of spectacular doziness:

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and at the daily how many assertion/fallacies can be used in a single post, Alan Burns comes out swinging. Starts off with a begging the question on spiritual properties, with a side assertion about animals, which ignores that we are animals. Rolls into a combined ad populum and naturalistic fallacy, then exits into an implied ad consequentiam! Finishes with a triple assertion including two more begging the questions.


'well, Jim, I have to say that was a great start by Alan Burns. Not as tight as some posts, but it still packed a lot into the routine! Ideally I think there was an opening for a couple of NPFs there that wouldn't have heightened the overall fallacy rating but he's set a bar for others today'
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