The Trinity

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Sass who is this God that appeared,

                     2 Then God spoke further to Moses and said to him, “I am the Lord. 3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob (Israel) as God Almighty [El Shaddai]

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Rose this is silly=No I don't think she is, because one interpretation of the "we" is that it is referring to beings that already had the ability to discern and be aware of the concept of good and evil ie Angels and God.
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Rose if you have a bible read it.And stop encouraging people who are wrong to not bother to check

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[Sassy]

We have given numerous examples from the scriptures proving Christ is God in the flesh. That you obstinately remain in error is also proof that you are too far gone and that like Arius, you have been caught in the snares of the devil. We have given examples both from the OT and the NT. That you reject the NT is not our problem but yours. It is yet more proof that you are in error, rejecting the Holy Spirit that inspired those texts.

WRONG you have suggested but NONE prove Christ was God. In fact it was NOT taught by Christ or the Apostles.
Peter clearly stating...

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

It was never ever meant to be God made man but Jesus made flesh and revealing God to us.

You teach a different gospel from that of the Apostles and even Christ.


17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Eternal life is knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom the ONLY true God sent. From Christs own mouth.

[Sassy]

You haven't bothered to check.

That's the problem.

You can't answer other people's points because you have just accepted what you have been told to, by others.

You haven't thought it through for yourself.

Hence you have to resort to calling other people's points a silly, without engaging them.

It is encouraging to see that even those who are not of faith can see the truth. Yet he cannot see.



For me it is no victory for I am really sad they cannot see the truth God teaches.
If only they could see why they believe this...

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WRONG you have suggested but NONE prove Christ was God. In fact it was NOT taught by Christ or the Apostles.
Peter clearly stating...

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

It was never ever meant to be God made man but Jesus made flesh and revealing God to us.

You teach a different gospel from that of the Apostles and even Christ.


17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Eternal life is knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom the ONLY true God sent. From Christs own mouth.

You're following the doctrines of men. You reject the faith of the Apostles. Christ is clearly God.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

The councils, guided by the Holy Spirit, confirm the faith of the Apostles:

And those who say "there once was when he was not", and "before he was begotten he was not", and that he came to be from things that were not, or from another hypostasis or substance, affirming that the Son of God is subject to change or alteration these the catholic and apostolic church anathematises.

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As Harry Hill in a cassock would put it: Which is 'Truthier^TM'? There's only one way to find out... SCHISM!!!
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[Shaker]

 

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As Harry Hill in a cassock would put it: Which is 'Truthier^TM'? There's only one way to find out... SCHISM!!!
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All the schismatics faded and died.

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You haven't bothered to check.

That's the problem.

You can't answer other people's points because you have just accepted what you have been told to, by others.

You haven't thought it through for yourself.

Hence you have to resort to calling other people's points a silly, without engaging them.

 You really are ridiculous ,check you say the word was God,what cant you understand,   The evangelist here lays down the great truth he is to prove, that Jesus Christ is God, one with the Father. And you find that in John 1:1 now you check.

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[DaveM]

WRONG you have suggested but NONE prove Christ was God. In fact it was NOT taught by Christ or the Apostles.
Peter clearly stating...

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Sassy, You are in error here.  Peter says quite explicitly in his second epistle that Jesus is God.  2 Peter 1:1, 'To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing to ours by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.'   So Peter is quite clear that Jesus is both God and Saviour.

[DaveM]

Further to my post #334.  Just for the record four of the NT authors (three if you think Hebrews is Pauline) refer to Jesus as God.  In total there are seven passages in the NT where Jesus is specifically referred to as God.  These are listed below'

John 1:1.  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:18.  No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

John 20:28.  Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Rom. 9:5  To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Titus 2:13.  . . waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ . . .

Heb. 1:8.  But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of your kingdom.”

2 Pet. 1:1.  To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ

Seven - an interesting number from a Biblical perspective.

[Sassy]

You're following the doctrines of men. You reject the faith of the Apostles. Christ is clearly God.

The disciples NEVER taught that Christ was God. T hey warn against it in John. In the book of acts peter states clearly God was with Christ NOT that God was Christ.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

The councils, guided by the Holy Spirit, confirm the faith of the Apostles:[/quote]


And those who say "there once was when he was not", and "before he was begotten he was not", and that he came to be from things that were not, or from another hypostasis or substance, affirming that the Son of God is subject to change or alteration these the catholic and apostolic church anathematises.
[/quote]Nothing in that says Christ was God. It is simple with OT to understand everything God created he 'SPOKE' into being including Christ before it happened.Jesus had to be a second Adam to die for mankind. The teachings you have are not from the OT and came after Christ and the Apostles. Jesus Christ came in the flesh and G of was with him.

[Sassy]

You really are ridiculous ,check you say the word was God,what cant you understand,   The evangelist here lays down the great truth he is to prove, that Jesus Christ is God, one with the Father. And you find that in John 1:1 now you check.

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And if your words were repeated would they be yours or the person repeating them.  You speak  and what happens? God speaks and what he says happens. Didn.'t he speak the words saying he would send them a prophet like unto Moses? When Christ came the word became flesh. Didn't Christ come that way?  Christ also said his WORDS were Spirit and they were life. Don't you need to believe the truth about Christ and the baptism of that spirit to be saved?  God was with Christ.

[Spud]

And if your words were repeated would they be yours or the person repeating them.  You speak  and what happens? God speaks and what he says happens. Didn.'t he speak the words saying he would send them a prophet like unto Moses? When Christ came the word became flesh. Didn't Christ come that way?  Christ also said his WORDS were Spirit and they were life. Don't you need to believe the truth about Christ and the baptism of that spirit to be saved?  God was with Christ.

Sass John in 1:1 is saying the Word is a person, by describing him as being "with God". If he was merely talking about God the Father's thoughts and words he wouldn't have said "with God", it wouldn't make sense. He is talking about a person whom he calls the Word, who was both with God and equal with God. This fits better with the rest of John's gospel.