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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #225 on: July 22, 2015, 07:00:51 AM »
Dear Lapsed,

Still living in the 1970's, that brought a smile to my face, well I don't if you are right but if so we have suddenly went all 21st century, we have stuck two fingers up at the Victorian Tory way of thinking and lifted our kilts ( metaphorically speaking ) to Labours head in the sand politics.

You can combine compassion with politics.

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compassion without competence is less than useless. I feel that is the critical point that many are missing.

It doesn't matter how much you care or what kind of language you use - if the economy isn't thriving, then you have no money to carry out your plans. I think that there is always a certain dis-honesty in the Scottish Nationalist position because they can promise unrealistic spending plans to their electorate then blame the evil English for not forking out the cash.

Independence would at least have brought Scottish politicians down to Earth.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #226 on: July 22, 2015, 04:23:45 PM »
Dear Lapsed,

Competence, The Tories, competent for who!!

Even the most politically uneducated ( like myself ) can understand and agree with what the Tories are trying to do, don't spend what you don't have, they are trying to balance the books, it is the way they are going about it.

To be competent about something you at least need to have basic knowledge.

One of the Tories big issues is unemployment, ever visited a Job centre over the past year, soul destroying.

Staff so disenchanted that they just go through the motions, although I did witness a bit of excitement, the government introduced electronic signing on, whoopee!! it was nice to see them nearly smiling.

The governments internet job site, Universal job match, run by  private contractors, a joke, no actually you can laugh at a joke, travesty is the word I was looking for, google it to find out what a absolute mess it is, even the company who runs it wants out.

The Tories like to privatise stuff, privatise Job centres, ask most job seekers they will tell you that using private employment agencies is far superior.

There are lots of ways of gaining employment, sadly Government run Job centres are not one of them, but it would be nice if the job centres informed citizens of the different agencies available to help and who also offer training/education to further your job prospect.

The Tories are so out of touch with reality, I sometimes wonder if they think poor people are something that we just need to get used to.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #227 on: July 22, 2015, 04:42:51 PM »
I don't pretend to understand what goes on in Scotland Gonnagle, but generally unemployment is at a low level in the rest of the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32719779

Last year my grand daughter was able to move from a zero-hours contract in a fast-food outlet to a good full time job at a reasonable rate in a mobile phone store. There seem to be plenty of jobs around for those who can be bothered to work.

I get the feeling that you have been weaned on Socialist propaganda and this might make it difficult to see these things.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #228 on: July 22, 2015, 04:53:49 PM »
Dear Lapsed,

Socialist propaganda, I voted in Thatcher, I hate Unions, my last post is simple facts, the Tories are just loud noise, smoke and mirrors.

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« Reply #229 on: July 22, 2015, 04:58:01 PM »
Dear Lapsed,

Socialist propaganda, I voted in Thatcher, I hate Unions, my last post is simple facts, the Tories are just loud noise, smoke and mirrors.

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Perhaps you've just been living in Scotland too long then - the weather can have that effect  ::)
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« Reply #230 on: July 23, 2015, 02:39:52 PM »
Independence would at least have brought Scottish politicians down to Earth.

Independence would have given the Scottish parliament the opportunity to take Scotland in a direction that suited it, rather than being bound to a direction that suits the UK as a whole at their expense.

Unfortunately, no-one was actually offering them a vote on independence, they were being offered the opportunity to be an insignificant portion of the financially struggling Eurozone or to remain as a marginally less insignificant portion of the financially more robust (though not so much for their direct benefit) UK.

Neither was particularly attractive options, but that suited the SNP - they were either forced into a bad situation they could blame on someone else by the English/Tory government, or they were forced to remain in the bad situation by the unpatriotic 'No' voters.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #231 on: July 23, 2015, 02:50:12 PM »
Dear Outrider,

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unpatriotic 'No' voters.

Yep!! that will be me you are talking about, I will hand my kilt into the next charity shop I pass ( hell!! I never wear the English invention anyway ).

BTW, welcome back ;)

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« Reply #232 on: July 23, 2015, 02:51:52 PM »
Dear Outrider,

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unpatriotic 'No' voters.

Yep!! that will be me you are talking about, I will hand my kilt into the next charity shop I pass ( hell!! I never wear the English invention anyway ).

BTW, welcome back ;)

Gonnagle.

Gonners - that was the 'SNP voice' not mine - as a half-Scot, I would have voted against that travesty of an offer of 'independence' if I'd been allowed, but I live about 400 miles too far south of Edinburgh to be eligible :)

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #233 on: July 24, 2015, 11:58:05 AM »
Only half a scot? Shame.

The simple reasons for why the SNP are thriving are.

Labour have no credible candidates, no credible alternative policies (just tory-lite ones) and a track record of using Scotland for a guaranteed 50 seats in London while treating the place like a branch office.

The SNP have lots of 'normal' people who weren't even politicians a couple of years ago so people can relate to them and they don't take Westminster seats or Scotland for granted.

Regardless of constant mainstream media anti-SNP propaganda most people I talk to of which about half voted NO seem happy with them in government because they at least can be trusted to argue Scotland's case in Westminster without a London alternative agenda.

Who else can Scotland vote for? With the muppets Labour have put up for the UK and Scottish party leadership elections I think the SNP have many years in power to come. Are they perfect.. no but then I've never seem a political party who was.  :)
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« Reply #234 on: July 24, 2015, 12:17:26 PM »
...most people I talk to of which about half voted NO seem happy with them in government because they at least can be trusted to argue Scotland's case in Westminster without a London alternative agenda.
Is this necessarily a good argument, Jim?  Surely, London's agenda ought to be a UK-centric agenda, rather than the somewhat parochial one that the SNP will only ever be able to have.

Note, I'm not suggesting that the last few administrations have had a particularly strong 'UK-centric' agenda, but nor have they had specifically 'London/South-East-centric' ones either (after all, one of the two of the banks that the UK public have bailed out is Scottish. The other is based in London).   
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« Reply #235 on: July 24, 2015, 12:20:09 PM »
...most people I talk to of which about half voted NO seem happy with them in government because they at least can be trusted to argue Scotland's case in Westminster without a London alternative agenda.
Is this necessarily a good argument, Jim?  Surely, London's agenda ought to be a UK-centric agenda, rather than the somewhat parochial one that the SNP will only ever be able to have.

Note, I'm not suggesting that the last few administrations have had a particularly strong 'UK-centric' agenda, but nor have they had specifically 'London/South-East-centric' ones either (after all, one of the two of the banks that the UK public have bailed out is Scottish. The other is based in London).

Where a bank is based is essentially irrelevant - quite a lot of the money bailing RBS out was American.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #236 on: July 24, 2015, 01:00:47 PM »
Only half a scot? Shame.

The simple reasons for why the SNP are thriving are.

Labour have no credible candidates, no credible alternative policies (just tory-lite ones) and a track record of using Scotland for a guaranteed 50 seats in London while treating the place like a branch office.

The SNP have lots of 'normal' people who weren't even politicians a couple of years ago so people can relate to them and they don't take Westminster seats or Scotland for granted.

Regardless of constant mainstream media anti-SNP propaganda most people I talk to of which about half voted NO seem happy with them in government because they at least can be trusted to argue Scotland's case in Westminster without a London alternative agenda.

Who else can Scotland vote for? With the muppets Labour have put up for the UK and Scottish party leadership elections I think the SNP have many years in power to come. Are they perfect.. no but then I've never seem a political party who was.  :)



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Wot KO said.
Incidentally, I heard Tom harris - a Scots Labour Branch Office ex-MP comparing the two pathetic candidates fior Scottish Labour branch office leader as "Two bald men arguing over a comb."
That's about right.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #237 on: July 24, 2015, 01:03:44 PM »
Only half a scot? Shame.

The simple reasons for why the SNP are thriving are.

Labour have no credible candidates, no credible alternative policies (just tory-lite ones) and a track record of using Scotland for a guaranteed 50 seats in London while treating the place like a branch office.

The SNP have lots of 'normal' people who weren't even politicians a couple of years ago so people can relate to them and they don't take Westminster seats or Scotland for granted.

Regardless of constant mainstream media anti-SNP propaganda most people I talk to of which about half voted NO seem happy with them in government because they at least can be trusted to argue Scotland's case in Westminster without a London alternative agenda.

Who else can Scotland vote for? With the muppets Labour have put up for the UK and Scottish party leadership elections I think the SNP have many years in power to come. Are they perfect.. no but then I've never seem a political party who was.  :)



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Incidentally, I heard Tom harris - a Scots Labour Branch Office ex-MP comparing the two pathetic candidates fior Scottish Labour branch office leader as "Two bald men arguing over a comb."
That's about right.
Kezia is a man?

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« Reply #238 on: July 24, 2015, 01:11:49 PM »
According to the aforesaid ex-Labour MP, yes.
'Deputy Dug' is a man.
Whatever she is, if she's elected, it will be a lootery win for anyone opposing Labour.
Let's face it, even her dad thinks she's shall we say, mince*?


* - Scots colloquialism for - rubbish.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #239 on: July 24, 2015, 01:20:46 PM »
To be fair, to Kezia I don't think Jeff thinks she is rubbish. I think he disagrees with her and occasionally criticises her, in particular over the Carmichael affair.  On current polls whoever wins will have to do some clever positioning to avoid being kicked out next year.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #240 on: July 25, 2015, 11:29:22 PM »
Gaun' yersel, lass!
Mhairi talks more sense - this time dismissing the anachronistic , time honoured trash that is Westminster....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-33664317Nae wonder she's more popular than most of the dyed in the wool lobby fodder!
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #241 on: September 19, 2015, 09:58:37 AM »
Brilliant commentary from the Wee Ginger Dug, on one year of broken promises from a corrupt Westminster.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/independence-of-mind/
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #242 on: September 19, 2015, 11:16:22 AM »
Brilliant commentary from the Wee Ginger Dug, on one year of broken promises from a corrupt Westminster.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/independence-of-mind/

Lots of lies in there, only slightly hides the hatred fueled by the chip on the shoulder in turn fueled by an inferiority complex that some Scots can't seem to get over.
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« Reply #243 on: September 19, 2015, 05:03:44 PM »
Brilliant commentary from the Wee Ginger Dug, on one year of broken promises from a corrupt Westminster.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/independence-of-mind/

Lots of lies in there, only slightly hides the hatred fueled by the chip on the shoulder in turn fueled by an inferiority complex that some Scots can't seem to get over.



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« Reply #244 on: September 19, 2015, 06:37:38 PM »
Brilliant commentary from the Wee Ginger Dug, on one year of broken promises from a corrupt Westminster.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/independence-of-mind/

Lots of lies in there, only slightly hides the hatred fueled by the chip on the shoulder in turn fueled by an inferiority complex that some Scots can't seem to get over.

Can I suggest you check Paul Kavanagh's background before posting?

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #245 on: September 19, 2015, 08:37:04 PM »
Brilliant commentary from the Wee Ginger Dug, on one year of broken promises from a corrupt Westminster.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/independence-of-mind/

Lots of lies in there, only slightly hides the hatred fueled by the chip on the shoulder in turn fueled by an inferiority complex that some Scots can't seem to get over.

Can I suggest you check Paul Kavanagh's background before posting?

Why will it wash away lies?



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« Reply #246 on: September 19, 2015, 09:43:22 PM »
Brilliant commentary from the Wee Ginger Dug, on one year of broken promises from a corrupt Westminster.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/independence-of-mind/

Lots of lies in there, only slightly hides the hatred fueled by the chip on the shoulder in turn fueled by an inferiority complex that some Scots can't seem to get over.

Can I suggest you check Paul Kavanagh's background before posting?

Why will it wash away lies?

Which lies?

Amongst the drivel 'the Unionists remain angry and bitter' do they? What all of them, if anyone sounds bitter its Sturgeon and her party, whine whine whine.

How about 'They won the referendum last year on the back of a big lie' what lie?
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #247 on: October 02, 2015, 10:28:43 PM »
Apparently, the members  of the party once known as 'New Labour' have been given the Basil Fawlty treatment - "Don't mention the war".
Substitute "Scotland" for "The war", and you'll get the gist.
The Herald reports that, in a brilliant strategy move, Labour MP's (actually, there's only one of them....) are supposed to talk about individual towns and cities instead...


Apparently this is supposed to start the fight back for the 'people's party' in North Britain.

Here's the Wee Ginger Dug's take on the farce.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/
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« Reply #248 on: October 04, 2015, 07:26:39 AM »
I think Labours best strategy to fight back would be to expose the lies of the SNP.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #249 on: October 05, 2015, 11:25:13 AM »
Oh Jak, wake up boy Labour aren't an alternative to anything (not even the tories!) they are a shambles.

Dugdale and her crew are just pumping out the same dribble as Murphy and co with the classic "we wont just slag off the SNP anymore that gets us nowhere"... oh hold on yes we will because we have nothing else did they not learn from that strategy which got them humped the last time!!

Policies? No we don't have policies but we are against austerity although we voted for it with the tories (and will do again) and we are are against trident but it will never become our policy and we don't like to talk about it  :)

The SNP don't even have to try any more Labour are an embarrassment north and south.

Keep going though Jaky your attempts at slagging off the SNP and talking up labour are pure comedy gold!!  ::)
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