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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #150 on: March 20, 2015, 04:37:11 PM »
I'm dreading the LibDems as well - full house!
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #151 on: March 20, 2015, 04:38:25 PM »

Let's face it, whoever gains power, we are all you-know-what!
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« Reply #152 on: March 20, 2015, 04:40:07 PM »
I'm dreading the LibDems as well - full house!
Nope, a full house is now seven ... or is it eight ... as per the debate that probably won't happen.

So anyone want to say they are dreading UKIP, SNP, Green, Plaid, DUP ...

I'll kick off - I'm dreading UKIP.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #153 on: March 20, 2015, 06:45:29 PM »
Dear Gonnagle,

Stop being so smug, yes I know they are all wankers but nobody likes a smart arse.

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« Reply #154 on: March 20, 2015, 08:10:55 PM »
That's probably what we need actually. Someone like Richard Branson. He'll do.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #155 on: March 25, 2015, 02:19:23 PM »
I'm dreading them all..

2 months of lies and no-one answering a straight bloody question!!!!!

Question Time should change it's name to Answer Time  :)

The only people you get saying what they think are the guests who ARE'NT politicians!
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #156 on: March 25, 2015, 02:35:35 PM »
I'm dreading them all..

2 months of lies and no-one answering a straight bloody question!!!!!

Question Time should change it's name to Answer Time  :)

The only people you get saying what they think are the guests who ARE'NT politicians!

Arghh!  This hurts, but I  totally agree with that!   :o
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« Reply #157 on: April 08, 2015, 09:24:11 AM »
Why thanks BA I'm sure I've have agreed with you before... maybe.. possibly  ;)
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« Reply #158 on: April 08, 2015, 11:16:06 AM »
Why thanks BA I'm sure I've have agreed with you before... maybe.. possibly  ;)

I'm happy to agree with you, KO.   We did once before.   It stuck in my mind because I was so surprised I accidentally knocked my computer over whilst in shock!    :D :D
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« Reply #159 on: April 08, 2015, 11:04:20 PM »
This is a very thought provoking essay by Irvine ('train spotting') Welsh.
A bit long, but well worth a read.
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2015/04/08/engerland-swings-like-a-pendulum-do/
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #160 on: April 09, 2015, 10:32:48 AM »
Dear Jim,

Sane posted the same link over on another thread, a bit long winded for me but on the question of immigration he gives it a paltry couple of line's.

Is immigration a problem? When UKIP mention it they are branded with terms like racist but Cameron is bringing in new measures to control it, should we be tougher on immigration, have the Tories and Labour been to soft on immigration.

Most politicians I have listened to cite historical reasons why immigration has been great for the UK but Peter Hitchen on Question Time pointed out that this time it is a problem due to the large numbers we are dealing with.

If I remember correctly Cameron was warned about these large numbers but chose to ignore the warnings.

Is immigration a problem and can we discuss it without accusations of racism or referring to yer wee granny third removed who came from foreign climes.

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« Reply #161 on: April 09, 2015, 11:15:18 AM »
UKIP are not branded racist because they mention immigration, but rather because they talk about immigrants almost exclusively in terms of claiming benefits such as Farage's unsupported pish about HIV in the debate.

I find the idea that you can't talk about immigration without being branded a racist an attempt at poisoning the well. It is blatantly clear that people talk about immigration all the time without being called racist.

I think there are important questions about how immigration is handled but in general I think it is beneficial.

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« Reply #162 on: April 09, 2015, 11:38:58 AM »
Dear Jim,

Sane posted the same link over on another thread, a bit long winded for me but on the question of immigration he gives it a paltry couple of line's.

Is immigration a problem? When UKIP mention it they are branded with terms like racist but Cameron is bringing in new measures to control it, should we be tougher on immigration, have the Tories and Labour been to soft on immigration.

Most politicians I have listened to cite historical reasons why immigration has been great for the UK but Peter Hitchen on Question Time pointed out that this time it is a problem due to the large numbers we are dealing with.

If I remember correctly Cameron was warned about these large numbers but chose to ignore the warnings.

Is immigration a problem and can we discuss it without accusations of racism or referring to yer wee granny third removed who came from foreign climes.

Gonnagle.


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I can (sort of) understand the paranoia facing those whose world is upset when people of a different language, culture, ethnicity or even creed 'invade' their territory.
I understand their nervousness, without sharing it.
The problem with the influx of immigrants appears to me to be not the number, but the speed at which they might seem to be arriving - to some, at least.
Also, I think it depends on exactly where, on these islands, you live.
My town has many examples of surnames such as Favali, Ochypala, Berinski, Jonas - legacies of migrations in the twentieth century.
Our churches (RC and CofS) conducted a little investigation.
In our town of 6,000 or so, well over one third were of European, Asian or Chinese extraction.
We simply don't have an issue (unless they were born in Cumnock...;) )
Without the migrant workers in Scotland, the fruit, potato and prawn fisheries would simply vanish - the rural community simply could  not function.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #163 on: May 16, 2015, 05:43:33 PM »
Is the appointment of Thatcher's adviser Andrew Dunlop as a Scottish Minister a step toward the break up of the union?

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« Reply #164 on: May 16, 2015, 07:02:14 PM »
Is the appointment of Thatcher's adviser Andrew Dunlop as a Scottish Minister a step toward the break up of the union?





Whatever it is, it's went down like a lead balloon up here - and not only with SNP members.
I spoke with a councillor this afternoon - a Labour councillor at thst - whose opinion on the move was not printable.
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« Reply #165 on: May 16, 2015, 11:08:26 PM »
Is the appointment of Thatcher's adviser Andrew Dunlop as a Scottish Minister a step toward the break up of the union?

Whatever it is, it's went down like a lead balloon up here - and not only with SNP members.
I spoke with a councillor this afternoon - a Labour councillor at thst - whose opinion on the move was not printable.
Well . . . he'd got to do something to annoy you hadn't he?
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« Reply #166 on: May 17, 2015, 09:33:05 AM »
It's fairly obvious; they're not one of the big UK parties and they don't have much economic power - able, at present, to blame Westminster for any such issues.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #167 on: May 17, 2015, 11:08:44 AM »
And there is of course the fact that brave Dave Mundell might run away


http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-affairs-committee-future-in-doubt-1-3775088

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #169 on: May 21, 2015, 10:22:07 AM »
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #170 on: May 21, 2015, 12:34:16 PM »
It's fairly obvious; they're not one of the big UK parties and they don't have much economic power - able, at present, to blame Westminster for any such issues.

They might not be one of the big uk parties but they are the biggest in Scotland and the 3rd biggest party in terms of seats in the UK.

I think Dave the rave will try to give as many powers as possible to them in the hope that they fail big time and he comes to the rescue... although that could backfire if the SNP get it right  :)
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« Reply #171 on: May 21, 2015, 01:00:33 PM »
I think Dave the rave will try to give as many powers as possible to them in the hope that they fail big time and he comes to the rescue... although that could backfire if the SNP get it right  :)

I think Cameron is trying to give the SNP what they want and if they get it right then this will stop any moves towards independence. I think there was massive support for Devo-Max amongst the Scottish electorate after all and they have just voted for a manifesto with full fiscal autonomy on it.

It does come across from some Scottish people that 'yeah we screwed Cameron' but with more powers on their way Cameron becomes irrelevant in Scotland.

I think its a great result all round, will make politicians more accountable, although SNP are able, currently at least, to deflect. When powers arrive they should be held to account for what they do in Scotland by the Scottish opposition and electorate.
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #172 on: June 15, 2015, 10:19:09 PM »
Well SNP amendment for FFA in Scotlahnd Bill fails. Tories voted  against , Labour abstained (having said they were against it previously. It appears that Dennis Skinner voted for, and possibly Edward Leigh from the Tories.

Amendment to ensure that Westminster could not just get rid of Scottish Parliament also voted down, though this time Labour voted with SNP, so jakswan' s belief at Cameron was going to be giving the SNP what they want is not panning out.

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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #173 on: June 15, 2015, 11:45:09 PM »
Well SNP amendment for FFA in Scotlahnd Bill fails. Tories voted  against , Labour abstained (having said they were against it previously. It appears that Dennis Skinner voted for, and possibly Edward Leigh from the Tories.

Amendment to ensure that Westminster could not just get rid of Scottish Parliament also voted down, though this time Labour voted with SNP, so jakswan' s belief at Cameron was going to be giving the SNP what they want is not panning out.

Dam, one day the SNP will cease wittering on about process and get stuck into policy. To get rid of Scotland we'll have to vote no in the EU referendum. :)
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Re: SNP. Why Are They Thriving?
« Reply #174 on: June 16, 2015, 05:34:22 PM »
It's fairly obvious; they're not one of the big UK parties and they don't have much economic power - able, at present, to blame Westminster for any such issues.

They might not be one of the big uk parties but they are the biggest in Scotland and the 3rd biggest party in terms of seats in the UK.

I think Dave the rave will try to give as many powers as possible to them in the hope that they fail big time and he comes to the rescue... although that could backfire if the SNP get it right  :)
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